Sede Vacante 1378
Deposition of Dominus Johannes
Louis Gayet, Le grand schisme d'Occident Les Origines volume 1 (Paris-Florence-Berlin 1889), "Pièces justificatives", pp. 85-87:
Dominus Johannis juravit et deposuit in conscientia sua quae secuntur:
1. Primo, interrogatus si scit quod romani tenuerunt consilium post mortem D. Gregorii pape, ut haberent papam romanum vel italicum, dixit quod scit et quod talis erat fama per Urbem, et quod vidit apud S. Mariam Novam convenire romanos ex parte populi supplicando et petendo cardinalibus, quod darent sibi, scilicet papam romanum vel italicum, et erat fama per Urbem quod si non eligerent ad voluntatem populi, quod essent in periculo, quia populus esset indignatus, et commotus adversus eos. Et credit quod quum equitabant per Urbem, et iste testis confortabat cardinales aliquos in ingressu conclavis, et dicebat sibi, "Non timeatis, quia vani homines facient vobis honorem."
2. Item, scit qualiter fuerunt expulsi de Urbe comites et nobiles, et fecerunt venire de circuitu Urbis montanariis hominibus armatis. Et hora qua intraverunt cardinales conclave, erat tota platea S. Petri plena hominibus armatis, et ubicumque se congregabant romani, clamabant, "Romanum volumus vel ad minus italicum."
3. Item, sequenti die, de mane, vidit multos homines armatos in platea S. Petri, et in currali palatii. Et clamabant fortiter: "Romanum volumus vel ad minus italicum." Et vidit celarium vini apertun et audivit sonare campanam S> Petri ad martellum, quasi hora prime vel ante vel parum post, ut erat magna comotio populi prope palatium clamando, ut supra.
4. Postea vidit, quando rumperunt conclavis murum et portas, et multi intraverunt intus armati et cum ensibus nudis. Quod dictum fuerat quod italicus esset papa et tunc clamabant fortiter: "Nolumus nisi Romanum." Et tunc dictum fuit quod romanum habebant, et ostenderunt sibi D. de S. Petro [Francesco Tebaldeschi] quem induerunt cappa rubea et posuerunt sibi mitram, et tunc cessavit tumultus. Et dixit quod iste testis tunc entravit conclave antequam cessaret rumor, et vidit quod romani tractabant male cardinales, et pulsaverunt aliquos ictibus, et alios verbis, et depredaverunt quae intus habebant.
5. Et credit quod de facto electionis nulla post ita scire veritatem sicut cardinales. Verum est tamen quod ipse vidit qualiter in Die Resurrectionis coronaverunt dictum D. Urbanum papam apud portam ecclesie S. Petri, et omnes cardinales et totus populus romanus iverunt cum eo ad S. Joannem honorabiliter, et reversi sunt cum eo palatium.
6. Item, postea audivit multos murmurantes de ista electione, et audivit a dominis Gebennensi [Robert of Geneva], Ambianensi [Jean de la Grange, OSB], et de Luna cardinalibus, quod nonerat verus papa. Item, vidit quum cardinales inceperunt exire conclave, quod romani reducebant eos ad conclave per brachia, et coacte, dicendo: quod elegerent papam, et cardinales dicebant: "Jam elegimus, dimittatis nos."
The witness, Joannes, deposed the following:
- Asked (by the ambassadors) whether he knew that the Romans held a meeting after the death of Pope Gregory in order to have a Roman or Italian pope, he said that he knew so and that it was the talk of the City.
- He saw the Romans assemble at Santa Maria Nova on behalf of the people to beg and request the cardinals to give them a Roman or an Italian pope, otherwise they should fear danger. There was a report in the City that if they did not elect as the people wanted they would be in danger because the people were indignant and stirred up against them. The familiars of the Cardinals reported this rumor to them. When the Cardinals were going on horseback through the City, the witness said to them, "Don't be afraid, because powerfuless men will do you honor." (or: "Are you not afraid because...?")
- He knew that the counts and nobles were expelled from the City, and the Romans brought in armed people from the mountains.
- At the hour when the Cardinals were entering conclave, the whole Piazza San Pietro was filled with armed men, and wherever the Romans were gathered they were shouting, "We want a Roman, or at least an Italian."
- On the next day, in the morning, he saw many armed men in the Piazza San Pietro and at the Papal Palace. They were crying loudly, "We want a Roman or at least an Italian.". He saw the wine cellar open and he heard the bell of St. Peter's sounding, at around the hour of prime or a little before or afterward. There was a great commotion of people and the usual shouting.
- Later he saw, when the broke through the wall of the conclave and the doors, and many entered armed and with swords drawn, because it had been said that an Italian was pope. They were shouting, "We don't want anybody but a Roman."
- Then it was said that they had a Roman, and they showed them Cardinal Francesco Tebaldeschi on whom they had put the red papal mantle and a mitre. Then the tumult ceased.
- The witness said that he had entered conclave before the noise ceased and saw that the Romans were treating the Cardinals badly and were punching some with blows, and others with words. They sacked what they had.
- The witness believes that, as to the fact of the election no one knows the truth except the Cardinals. Nevertheless it is true that he saw how they crowned Urban pope on Easter Sunday at the door of the church of Saint Peter's, and all the cardinals and the whole people went with him to St. John [the Lateran Basilica] in honorable fashion, and returned with him to the Apostolic Palace.
- He later heard many people discussing the election, and he heard from Cardinals Robert of Geneva, Cardinal Jean de la Grange and Cardinal de Luna that Urban was not the true pope. [There must be some error here. 'Ambianensis'-la Grange was not in Rome or Italy, but in Avignon; after Clement VII went to Avignon, Jean de la Grange was legate to the kings of France and England for several years, and did not come to Rome. Whether the mistake is the witness' or the notary's is unclear.]
- Likewise he saw that, when the cardinals began to exit the conclave, the Romans dragged them back by the arms under compulsion, saying that they should elect a pope, and the cardinals said, "We already elected one. Let us go."