Session Start: Tue Nov 06 19:56:59 2007

Session Ident: #satf03

<jerry> okay, it looks like you are all getting to this channel,...

<jerry> let's give it another moment..

<jerry> we are almost through with the transfers...

<Shirlyn> I think we lost Gladis..

<jerry> there are two of you still trying to get in, glad is one of them..

<jerry> we are still missing two of you...

<jerry> however for the sake of time...

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<jerry> let's begin...

<jerry> we are taking a test Thursday on the subjects..

<jerry> surveys, observation and unobtrusive measures..

<Monica> ?

<jerry> if you can count to three and associate one of these topics with each number, you are half way there...

<jerry> monica

<Monica> for the unobtrusive measures do we need to know the specific sources

<jerry> let me go through this in some detail...

<jerry> if there are any other questions afterward I will answer them then.

<Monica> ok

<jerry> First, once again, the format of the test is three fold...

<jerry> 1) objective

<jerry> 2) definitions

<jerry> 3) short answers

<jerry> there are fifty points...

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<jerry> that means approximately 10-15 objective quesitons...

<jerry> 5 definitions

<jerry> and 4-5 short answers

<jerry> and again, no bluebooks, no scantrons..

<jerry> any questions about the format?

<howard> no

<Monica> no

<jerry> okay...

<liz> no

<Wendy> Wendy

<Shirlyn> no

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<jerry> now back to the numbers 1-3. 

<jerry> 1 is for surveys; 2 is for observations; and 3 is for unobtrusive measures.

<jerry> Let's concentrate on #1-surveys..

<jerry> there are three types of surveys...

<jerry> 1) mail-out

<jerry> 2) telephone

<jerry> 3) face to face

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<jerry> each involves a self-report instrument...

<jerry> or questionnaire...

<jerry> the questionnaire consists of three substantive types of questions...

<jerry> you know them as information, opinion and demographic..

<jerry> that can be either closed or open-ended formats..

<jerry> please know the issues surrounding the type of survey, type of question and type of format..

<howard> how about special questions?

<jerry> for example, if I asked which type surey yields the highest response rate, you would say...which

<howard> face to face

<liz> face to face

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<Shirlyn> face-to-face

<Wendy> ?

<jerry> wendy

<jerry> wendy, do you have a question?

<jerry> okay, the answer is face to face..

<jerry> If I ask which is the most efficient, you would say?

<howard> telephone

<Shirlyn> telephone

<jerry> good

<liz> phone

<jerry> if I ask which format is easier to code, you would say?

<Monica> ?

<Monica> mail out

<Shirlyn> mail-out

<howard> mail out

<JUDY> mail out

<liz> mail-out

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<jerry> format, meaning format of the question (i.e. closed or open ended)..

<glad> oh my god iam in

<glad> late but here

<Monica> oh ok that answered my question

<JUDY> closed ended

<jerry> which format is easier to code, open or closed ended questions

<Monica> closed

<jerry> the answer is, of course, closed ended

<liz> close ended

<jerry> if I ask which type of question should come first, you would say?

<liz> info

<Monica> information

<JUDY> informative

<jerry> good

<glad> info

<jerry> and if I ask what is a branching question, you would say?

<Monica> to cut through the questions not applicable

<jerry> good

<Monica> ?

<jerry> and if I ask what is the problem with the question: "what color is your new car", you would say

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<Monica> its double question

<jerry> good.

<jerry> monica, you have a question?

<Monica> yes

<Monica> closed questions are mutally exclusive and exhaustive, can you explan that a litte, i am confused

<jerry> mutually exclusive simply means you cannot answer more than one response category.

<Monica> ok thank you

<jerry> exhaustive means the response categories cover all the possibilities..

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<jerry> okay and if I ask what is wrong with the opinion question, "I often take online classes", you would say?

<Monica> how much is often?

<liz> this is not an opinion

<jerry> good for both of you..

<jerry> it is clearly an indefinitness of time..

<jerry> and it is not an opinion question..

<jerry> okay, you are getting the idea...

<liz> yes

<Monica> yes

<howard> yes

<jerry> remember that 1 is for surveys...

<jerry> now let's talk about 2..observations..

<jerry> we said there are different types of observations...

<jerry> depending on the degree of structure..

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<jerry> the complete observer has the most structure..

<jerry> the complete participant has the least..

<jerry> the former is more characteristic of experimental observation...

<jerry> the latter is more characteristics of field ethnographies..

<jerry> they are both covert...

<jerry> but have vastly different degrees of structure..

<jerry> inbetween these two were the observer as participant...

<jerry> and the participant observer..

<jerry> the former being relatively more structured but less covert...

<jerry> the latter being relatively less structured but more covert...

<jerry> therefore, please know these four types and be able to give an example of each..

<Shirlyn> ?

<jerry> shirlyn

<Shirlyn> observer as participant is semi-structured

<Shirlyn> participant observer is structured?

<jerry> they are both semi-structured..

<Shirlyn> ok.

<howard> only the few knows that you are there right?

<jerry> but the o as p is more overt in the sense that most know of the observation..

<jerry> whereas the p.o. is more covert, where few know of the observation.

<Monica> ?

<jerry> so if I asked which classification of observation would the IPA involve, you would say?

<jerry> remember, IPA stands for Interaction Process Analyser

<JUDY> complete obser

<howard> co

<jerry> good

<jerry> monica, you have a question?

<Monica> yes, by giving an example of these, do we need to write out a siutation, what kind of example do you mean

<jerry> well, giving Bales IPA as an example of a process for observing small group concensus formation...

<jerry> and stating that it was used as a mechanical method of complete observation in his jury studies..

<jerry> would tell me you kknow what it and C.O. means

<glad> ?

<jerry> glad

<glad> in participant observer can i use william f. whyte and the gang relation

<glad> as an example

<jerry> yes

<glad> thx

<jerry> although I believe it to be more of an observer as participant..

<jerry> given the demographics of the gang and W.F. Whte

<jerry> make that W.F. Whyte

<jerry> and if I asked which of Lofland's categories personal style represents, you would say?

<JUDY> part. obs

<howard> meanings

<Shirlyn> p o and complete participation

<Shirlyn> ?

<jerry> nope, it is "participation"..

<jerry> shirlyn

<Shirlyn> would we need to elaborate on the setting, act, activities and meaning of loftland's analysis?

<jerry> perhaps..

<jerry> I haven't written the test yet

<jerry> but that would be a legitimate question.

<jerry> check the test page of the website for an example of a test from a previous semester

<jerry> so let's talk about #3--unobtrusive measures.

<jerry> These differ from the other two data collection techniques in that...

<jerry> humans are not involved in producing output from their own context...

<jerry> but rather, if humans are involved at all, it is in a simulation context..

<Shirlyn> and existing data?

<jerry> In fact, we spoke about two types of unobtrusive measures..

<jerry> one was simulations and the other existing data..

<jerry> we said there were three types of simulations..

<jerry> 1) pure machine

<jerry> 2) person machine

<jerry> 3) pure person

<jerry> we can distinguish them by which produces the IV and which produces the DV..

<jerry> in 1) the machine produces both..

<Shirlyn> pure mach

<Monica> pure machine

<jerry> in 2) the machine produces the IV and a human acting in a simulation environment...

<jerry> produces the DV..

<jerry> in 3) humans produce both the IV and DV in a simulation environment..

<jerry> we called pure machine formats, computer simulation or math modeling..

<jerry> we said we could characterize all models by three dimensions..

<jerry> 1) knowing all components (deterministic) or only some (probablistic)..

<jerry> 2) models at one point in time (static) vs. over time (dynamic)

<jerry> 3) models using only intergers (discrete) vs. those involving the entire real number system (continuous)

<jerry> these three dichotomies yield 8 categories of models (i.e. 2^3=8)..

<jerry> so if I ask what are most population models, you would say?

<Monica> determinstic, dynamic and descrete

<jerry> good

<jerry> and our graph model of social groups?

<jerry> how about deterministic, static and discrete

<howard> yes...

<liz> ok

<jerry> please be able to give or recognize an example of this classification

<howard> k

<Monica> i am sorry, but how do we know how to determine that

<jerry> "that" meaning?

<Monica> that, if they are dermintistic, static and discrete

<jerry> by recognizing what the three classifications mean..

<jerry> (review 1), 2) and 3) above)

<Monica> what kind of information would we have to dertemine what classifications it would be

<Monica> ok

<jerry> information that would lead to a distinction re: 1) 2) and 3) above

<jerry> we paid lip service to person machine simulation..

<jerry> by giving the example of Eliza...

<jerry> however, think of all of the computer games that are simulations where you plug in...

<jerry> such as sim city or even john madden football...

<jerry> these are person machine simulations in the sense that..

<jerry> the machine produces an environment which can be interacted with and modified by the human

<jerry> the third (and for my money the most important) type simulation..

<jerry> person-person simulation is aka game theory

<jerry> we suggested there are two types of games..

<jerry> zero-sum and non-zero-sum...

<jerry> that non-zero-sum could be either cooperative or non-cooperative..

<jerry> so if I ask "when a person's individual's best outcome in in concert with the group's best outcome..

<jerry> which type of non-zero-sum would it be...

<Shirlyn> cooperative

<jerry> hppf

<jerry> good

<jerry> and if not, we call it a P.D.  What does P.D. stand for?

<Shirlyn> prisoners dilemma

<jerry> good

<howard> prisoner's dilemma

<jerry> a prisoner's dilemma is so called in part because T>R>P>S...

<jerry> what is the other criteria defining a PD?

<howard> 2r>t+s>2p

<jerry> good

<jerry> finally, the other type of U.M. we spoke about was secondary analysis..

<jerry> where we tap into an existing data base and reanalyse those data...

<jerry> in that context, we mentioned two very prominant data bases..

<jerry> the public one was the census and the private one was ICPSR..

<jerry> what does ICPSR stand for?

<howard> inter

<howard> university

<Monica> inter univ

<howard> consortium ofr political and social research

<Monica> political consroucium

<jerry> good

<jerry> and if I ask you what is an SMSA as a Census classification, you would say?

<Shirlyn> STANDARD METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA

<jerry> good

<jerry> and why was a SCA created in 1980?

<jerry> remember SCA stands for Standard Consolidated Area

<howard> i didn't write that down...

<jerry> the answer is it represents metropolitan areas that cross county and even state lines..

<jerry> but represent one highly dense population base.

<jerry> e.g. the greater L.A., Chicago, NYC, Washington D.C. etc.

<howard> oh yes i remember now

<jerry> and if I asked what percent of the population gets the "long" version of the census questionnaire, you would say?

<jerry> I may not have mentioned it, but the answer is 30%...

<Monica> 30

<jerry> good.

<jerry> and do we know how many universities belong to ICPSR?

<Monica> 70% short version

<jerry> correct

<jerry> now, how many universities belong to ICPSR?

<Monica> i dont remember

<jerry> please refer to the ICPSR website and look it up.

<jerry> And if I ask the difference between secondary analysis and content analysis, you would say...

<jerry> the former begins with data and ends with data...

<jerry> while the latter begins with narrative and ends with data...

<jerry> so in content analysis, we analyse speeches, diaries, newpapers, etc..

<jerry> to develop themes that we can count to produce frequencies of occurrence..

<jerry> so let's summarize...

<jerry> how many topics on this test: 1,2 or 3?

<howard> yes

<howard> 3

<jerry> good.

<jerry> re: #1, how many types of surveys?

<liz> 3

<jerry> good

<jerry> how many types of formats?

<jerry> i.e. formats of questions.

<howard> 3

<liz> 3

<jerry> nope, only two.

<jerry> open and closed ended.

<howard> not informative then

<jerry> now, how many types of questions?

<liz> right

<JUDY> 2

<liz> 2

<glad> 3

<Shirlyn> 3

<howard> 3

<Monica> 3

<jerry> please distinguish types of formats from types of questions..

<liz> 3

<jerry> the former is 2 and the latter is 3..

<glad> yes

<liz> k

<jerry> now how many types of observers are there?

<JUDY> 4

<liz> 4

<howard> 4

<jerry> good

<jerry> and how many categories in Lofland's analysis?

<glad> 6

<Shirlyn> 6

<jerry> good

<howard> 6

<jerry> and how many types of simulations are there?

<Monica> 2

<jerry> nope

<Shirlyn> 3

<jerry> good

<glad> 3

<howard> 3

<liz> 3

<jerry> and how many criteria are there to classify types of machine simulations.

<liz> 4

<jerry> nope

<liz> 3

<Monica> 3

<jerry> good

<jerry> and how many total categories of models are there (hint: 2^3)?

<liz> 8

<jerry> good

<jerry> and how many types of pure person simulations (as in game theory) are there?

<JUDY> 3

<jerry> nope

<Monica> 2

<JUDY> 2

<jerry> good

<howard> 2

<jerry> and how many types of non-zero-sum games are there?

<liz> 2

<jerry> good

<howard> 2

<jerry> and which one is the PD, cooperative or non-cooperative?

<Shirlyn> non

<howard> non

<jerry> good

<jerry> by golly I think you've got it!

<liz> wow

<jerry> so now, let me answer any questions you have.

<jerry> Deanna, do you have a question?

<glad> but i hope this come in the test though

<howard> i have one sir

<jerry> let's go in order to make sure everyone gets a chance.

<jerry> glad, do you have a question?

<howard> k

<glad> no

<jerry> howard, let's hear your.

<glad> please make sure some of this come in the test

<howard> so we DONT include special questions on type of questions

<jerry> yes you would, but make it clear that it is not a substantive type of question..

<jerry> but more of a logistical type of question..

<jerry> i.e. it guides you into and through the questionnaire..

<jerry> as opposed to asking substance.

<howard> ic

<jerry> Judy, do you have any questions?

<JUDY> no

<jerry> juicy36 do you have any questions?

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<jerry> did mean to make you quit!

<jerry> liz, how about you?

<howard> haha

<glad> lol

<liz> for the obs. section...

<liz> we said we have 4 observations right?

<jerry> four types of observation categories, yes.

<jerry> CO, OP, PO and CP..

<liz> beat me to it lol

<liz> thanks

<jerry> you're welcome..

<jerry> monica, do you have a question?

<Monica> yes

<jerry> go for it

<Monica> ealier howard said 2r>t+s>2p

<jerry> yes

<Monica> is that expalined at 2prisoners, 2 rooms

<jerry> nope..

<Monica> ok what does it men

<Monica> mean

<jerry> it means that the sum of the rewards must be greater than..

<jerry> the (t)emptation to exploit + the (s)ucker's payoff, which must be greater than..

<jerry> the sum of the two punishments.

<jerry> remember the two by two matrix..

<Monica> yes

<howard> yes

<jerry> where each party can either cooperative or not..

<Monica> i understand that and have it in my notes

<jerry> good

<Monica> i just didnt understand how he wrote it

<Monica> thank you

<jerry> Shirlyn, do you have a question?

<Shirlyn> no

<jerry> okay, open forum; any last questions?

<Monica> no

<howard> no i feel pretty good

<JUDY> b/4 we go can anyone tell me where i can find this once its posted

<jerry> webpup is not active...

<JUDY> ok

<jerry> however, I am going to attempt a mechanical work around..

<howard> so you won't post this on our web?

<jerry> look for it on the mIRC page of our website, under today's date.

<jerry> yes, howard, I will try.

<jerry> any other qustions?

<jerry> okay, I am going to sign off..good luck on Thursday..

<Shirlyn> thank you prof s.... goodnight

<Monica> thank you

<howard> thank you sir

<liz> thanks

<glad> thank you sir