ONLINE CHAT for 2-16-2005
Jacqueline Brennan>>hi joi:)
Benjamin Costa>>crysol, yes i hope
Jacqueline Brennan>>Hi roxanne
Crysol Dominguez>>ok
Jessica Peterson>>ok
Jessica Peterson>>thanks again
Crysol Dominguez>>just checking
Shannon Brazee>>Hi Crysol....I emailed the prof...but no response yet...hopefully she received it
Joi Pinney>>hey jackie can i get our web page address again
Benjamin Costa>>have you guys talked?
Crysol Dominguez>>that great shannon..hopefully.
Sheena Malhotra>>hi everyone.
Jessica Peterson>>hello
Joi Pinney>>hi
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Jacqueline Brennan>>sure - see if you can view it through internet explorer...that way you should hear the audio...
Barbara Abantao>>hello
Sheena Malhotra>>glad you're all here
Kanna Uehara>>hello
Joi Pinney>>okay thanks
Shannon Brazee>>can everyone from the group meet for 5 minutes or so after? so that we can fill Ben in?
Victoria Barco>>Good afternoon Prof. Malhotra.
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Crysol Dominguez>>yes
Benjamin Costa>>yes
Crysol Dominguez>>hello prof.
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Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>hi
Sheena Malhotra>>shannon... we're going to have a slightly shorter than usual class today... ending about 15 mins early
Teresa Worrell>>hi
Sheena Malhotra>>so you all can use that time to talk in your gruops
Roxanne Oddone>>Hi Mrs. Malhotra
Sheena Malhotra>>so given that... let's get started with the material right away
Sheena Malhotra>>I want us to begin with the Cherrie Moraga piece
Roxanne Oddone>>Very sorry...didn't think about it before I wrote it
Sheena Malhotra>>As well as to use the video (A Place of Rage) in our starting discussion
Sheena Malhotra>>who wants to get us going by telling us one point from the Moraga piece or the video that has stayed with you.
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Connie Shannon>>!
Mona Munoz>>!
Melody Himidian>>!
Teresa Worrell>>!
Jessica Peterson>>!
Barbara Abantao>>!
Ashlee Burke>>!
Victoria Barco>>!
Jacqueline Brennan>>!
Megan Wiser>>!
Roxanne Oddone>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>CS, MM, MH
Tamika Miller>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>TW, JP, BA
Sheena Malhotra>>AB, VB, JB, MW
Sheena Malhotra>>RO
Victoria Barco>>In "A Place of Rage" someone said that black women were a minority within a minority. I never thought to think about black women as this. It really made me think.
Melody Himidian>>What stayed with me was what a large role women had played in the civil rights movement and how that seems to be left out.
Mike Black>>!
Connie Shannon>>I enjoyed the video the title described the womens feelings very well
Kanna Uehara>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>VB, MH. Both these are good starting points. Yes. The role of black women is often overlooked in the history of that movement... and really they were key
Victoria Barco>>(Pardon me, not were a minority within a minority; they still are.)
Barbara Abantao>>In the video, June Jordan is an amazing modern poet, her words about getting to know what has violated your rights as a woman is quite eye opening.
Sheena Malhotra>>MB, KU
Jessica Peterson>>When June Jordan described the day when police officers chased a family friend to the roof of her very house and beat him near death for nothing more then a case of mistaken identity.
Tamika Miller>>!
Mona Munoz>>I was really able to relate to the Moraga piece because I am mexican born and raised here and raised to speak only english and attended private school. My mother was a first generation here
Mike Black>>The thing that stuck with me the most form the movie was the poetry. You could really tell the passion which was put into the poetry.
Sheena Malhotra>>Yes... Jordan's poetry is powerful and moving.
Jacqueline Brennan>>What stayed with me is how Moraga acknowledged that the oppressed groups are forgeting all the time. People who are in minority groups easily forget about any struggles once they have been accepted, because "remembering may mean giving up whatever privileges we have managed to squeeze out of this society..."
Ashlee Burke>>I found the Moraga piece to be very interesting due to the fact that it reminds all of us that we should not deny our identify. However, we should be proud of our background. The video I found Davis' prisonment to be very interesting.
Megan Wiser>>In place of rage Angela Davis said we are not fighting to fight but to get somewhere with change and i think that is very important because there is a purpose for the fight that is going on to end oppression
Kanna Uehara>>I really enjoyed the video. Victoria, I remembered the same thing. I think Angelo Davis said so.
Sheena Malhotra>>TM
Kanna Uehara>>!
Crysol Dominguez>>cd
Crysol Dominguez>>!
Teresa Worrell>>I related with Morage, because I too am a lesbian, and silence is just like starvation .
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Roxanne Oddone>>I agree with Ashlee...I was going to say that it made me feel that no matter what backround, you should be proud of it and it expressed women's feeling well
Irina Kapulkin>>I agree that we should always be proud of our background.
Shannon Brazee>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>MM. That is great. When a piece speaks to us at many different levels... or resonates with our experience, it feels even more poignant and etched in our beings. Moraga's writing very insightfully here, I think.
Tamika Miller>>cherrie moraga piece talked a lot about oppression. it made me really think about what is oppression. is it just a state of mind in today's terms. I know my mom went through it physically, but the term oppression really bothered me
Sheena Malhotra>>KU, CD
Sheena Malhotra>>SB
Sheena Malhotra>>TM. Why did it bother you?
Ashlee Burke>>!
Joi Pinney>>!
Kanna Uehara>>I saw the video and thought thatlanguage affects our own world view.
Sheena Malhotra>>Is it because it seems to erase the difference in the different kinds of experiences
Crysol Dominguez>>i related with cherrie because i am mexican and can "pass" but because of that i was also always looked down upon with my mexican family . it was like i was not 100% mexican, and in society not 100% american
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Roxanne Oddone>>!
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Sheena Malhotra>>AB, JP
Jessica Peterson>>Moraga depicts perfectly the kind of "coming to terms" between daughters and their mothers we both spend our entire lives attempting to understand eachother
Sheena Malhotra>>RO
Joi Pinney>>i liked how walker said that women are the pillars of the movement and the mother of the church
Ashlee Burke>>Also I think that Moraga pieces also made me interested in the way that if you erase one part of yourself, you erase your existance.
Shannon Brazee>>When I read the Moraga story, it made me think about how much many minorities feel forced to assimilate to American culture. It seems that American society has an underlying consequence if the do not assimilate
Joi Pinney>>!
Tamika Miller>>because I don' think i'm oppressed and I had to really sit an think am i oppressed. my life is not likethat of my mom's the south during the 50's and 60's. it hin my life is of my own design
Sheena Malhotra>>CD. You should read some of Anzaldua's work as well. She talks about existing on the "borderlands"... and what happens when we occupy mestiza consciousness
Roxanne Oddone>>Did anyone else leave after watching the film and feel a bit depressed...a few of the clips really got to me
Crysol Dominguez>>1
Crysol Dominguez>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP
Joi Pinney>>when i read Moraga's story i compared it to how people say i sound white because i speak properly, i never understood that
Wendell Smith>>!
Jessica Peterson>>It was more so an awakening experience
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>!
Victoria Barco>>!
Megan Wiser>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>AB. That is a powerful argument in her piece. What does it mean when we erase parts of who we are. She is really looking at that phenomenon deeply here
Sheena Malhotra>>CD, ECR, WS, VB, MW
Teresa Worrell>>Not depressed, but inspired. Angelia Davis rocks!
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>I so agree with joi. I used to get that all the time. Like you sound so white and your latina, but If i spoke incorrectly I was a wetback. Like i felt okay, what am I really. My background is latina but do i act it or not. Of course this was while i was growing up
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. wow!
Mona Munoz>>I agree
Sheena Malhotra>>TW. I'll second that!
Jessica Peterson>>I found my own place of rage
Kanna Uehara>>!
Wendell Smith>>I think what happens is when people try to assimilate into americans culture they kind of lose part of who they are
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. say more.
Megan Wiser>>I agree not depressed but sad to see what black women have had to overcome to have the rights they do today
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>!
Irina Kapulkin>>WS, I agree
Sheena Malhotra>>KU
Jessica Peterson>>Well, I wouldnt say I am a pacfist be nature, I fight for those whom don't feel they have a voice
Kanna Uehara>>I agree with Teresa
Tamika Miller>>!
Ashlee Burke>>When we erase parts of ourself, we erase our love and direction in life. We no longer live for ourselves, however, we live our lives only acting like how people think we should. We mold to society because we want to fit in.
Kanna Uehara>>!
Crysol Dominguez>>!
Joi Pinney>>Well i just figure why can't they say that i was well educated, what does be speaking correctly have to do with being white
Jessica Peterson>>but watching the film it made me realize that there are fights everyday
Victoria Barco>>When I first began to watch the movie I was very close-minded. Towards the end I finally opened my mind and took in the thoughts and feelings of these women into mine; that made me a little depressed.
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. I think that's great. How we get there ... there are many paths
Teresa Worrell>>AB and I think the other side of that is we try and get people to fit our molding
Sheena Malhotra>>TM, KU, CD
Jessica Peterson>>There's such a negative connotation to the term "fight", "Rebel", "rage"
Roxanne Oddone>>!
Ashlee Burke>>!
Kanna Uehara>>In the video, I saw like "Colored Entarance" or Only for Colored." I felt really sad. I cannot imagine how black women went through such hard and painful times.
Sheena Malhotra>>RO
Crysol Dominguez>>I have been through the same as JP, people compliment me on how well my english is all the time when they realize i am mexian and have both parents who speak only spanish
Roxanne Oddone>>I think it is just ignorance of those that feel that you "sound" white.
Joi Pinney>>i agree
Tamika Miller>>What is american culture? We are americans, so don't we make up the american culture? if we don't then who decides it? I find it so hard to relate to these points of views. I don't see things they way they see them
Wendell Smith>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. Yes, there is. And that is partially because so much in this society is about control. Rage/anger/rebellion scare us a bit... because they are not controllable
Sheena Malhotra>>ws
Jessica Peterson>>maybe thats the source of racisim
Mike Black>>!
Roxanne Oddone>>!
Ashlee Burke>>I agree with JP. Everyone thinks that "fight" and "rage" are negative words, however, they are powerful words. I also think that words like "female rights" and "feminist" are along the same lines.
Sheena Malhotra>>mb, ro
Megan Wiser>>!
Wendell Smith>>TM I totally agree I would think we make up american culture its something I have a hard time figuring out myself
Sheena Malhotra>>mw
Roxanne Oddone>>I don't think it is the source of racisim but it is a contributing factor...for sure.
Mike Black>>I think that most racism stems from ignorance
Sheena Malhotra>>AB... yes
Jessica Peterson>>we cannot control what color we;re born, what eye shape we have, so there's something "Scary" (in society's mind) to people whom aren't "normal" but who decides normal?
Wendell Smith>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>MB. I think ignorance is a huge part of racism. But I'm also fascinated by Moraga's quote when she says...
Sheena Malhotra>>But it is not really difference the oppressor fears so much as similarity.? - p.33
Sheena Malhotra>>comments on that?
Megan Wiser>>ab i agree i think the word fight can be very positive when it comes to fighting for something of signficance and importance
Sheena Malhotra>>WS
Roxanne Oddone>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>OR
Ashlee Burke>>!
Renae Flores>>!
Jacqueline Brennan>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>AB, RF, JB
Mona Munoz>>mm
Victoria Barco>>!
Renae Flores>>I think there is a lot of truth to that statement....people fear they might be similar to that which they are afraid of...
Mike Black>>!
Kanna Uehara>>!
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>!!!
Jessica Peterson>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joi Pinney>>!
Wendell Smith>>I think society in general is afraid of what they don't know about and whatever that doesn't fit with how they see things they just like to through it out the window
Sheena Malhotra>>MB, KU, ECR
Sheena Malhotra>>MM, VB
Sheena Malhotra>>JP, JP
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>ya, i think that the they fear to become the person society so much looks down on.
Joi Pinney>>i think that's true people hate things in other people that they really have in themselves
Victoria Barco>>I do have to agree with Moraga. We are all so very similar. People are afraid of being similar to everyone else. Most people want to be their own person, like no one else.
Roxanne Oddone>>I forgot about that statement that she made...that is a good one and in many ways, I believe that it is true, those that are racist are more afraid of what thier similarities are rather than their differences.
Ashlee Burke>>The idea of being similar is really killing one's identity. If you are like everyone, you don't have a personal voice and you are one of the crowd.
Jacqueline Brennan>>Absolutely! People who devote so much of their time throughout their lives being closed-minded and "hating" or "being afraid" of anyone other than them, are more afraid to find out that they have been wrong all along.
Mike Black>>It could be because opressors are more concerned with keeping control over those who they opress. They are fearful of what they don't understand, but they are more fearful of equality
Jessica Peterson>>What's scarier then resembling what is to be "feared"
Wendell Smith>>!
Kanna Uehara>>Jessica, I really agree with you.
Jacqueline Brennan>>!
Jessica Peterson>>if theres a superiority to what is "feared" then there's a power
Mona Munoz>>when i read moraga's quote I was really moved by that because we are all similar, I am a nurse and when I transfuse blood to a patient who cares what color or race the donor was
Jessica Peterson>>but its there equality then there's no real power at all
Jessica Peterson>>*if
Sheena Malhotra>>WS, JB
Wendell Smith>>I totally agree with Mike, some people just want to have control and it some people's eyes if you are similar they see it as equal, and if your equal you can hold no power
Jacqueline Brennan>>I totally agree with jessica as well - that is probably a perfect analyzation of their fears
Sheena Malhotra>>JP
Megan Wiser>>
Megan Wiser>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>I think you're absolutely getting at something crucial here.
Sheena Malhotra>>power is always the underlying dimension to explore
Sheena Malhotra>>mw
Megan Wiser>>jessica is right there wont be equality if someone has power over another
Jessica Peterson>>We shun what is foreign, and if it happens to resemble us then the automatic reaction is to segregate ourselves from it
Jessica Peterson>>to be seen as acceptable by society
Sheena Malhotra>>right... for example... there is also a model of "scarcity" that we all buy into ... instead of one of "abundance"
Jessica Peterson>>scarcity is a tool for elitists (in my opinion)
Sheena Malhotra>>so... we often act as if there's only room for 1 woman at the top... and we all have to kill each other to be that one...
Ashlee Burke>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>and as JP is pointing out... it helps the elites, because we end up fighting each other... instead of fighting the system
Jessica Peterson>>!!
Sheena Malhotra>>AB, JP
Ashlee Burke>>I think that some women in today's society do not understand the strenght of sisterhood. More power in numbers
Sheena Malhotra>>this is something I'm pointing out as a "set up"... something we learn... not something that needs to be the norm
Jessica Peterson>>I find what's more important then climbing to the top, is who you have left in your wake...in the quest to be number one what ave you done to get there? What have you compromised?
Connie Shannon>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>CS
Jessica Peterson>>In a way women have become our own worst enemies
Ashlee Burke>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. it's how we're taught, how we're socialized. but we can just as easily unlearn that
Joi Pinney>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>ab
Ashlee Burke>>I agree with JP. Why must we fight each other, when we really need each other.
Shannon Brazee>>!
Connie Shannon>>I'm with Ashlee....Sisterhood. I think that women don't appreciate eachothers differences.
Sheena Malhotra>>SB
Megan Wiser>>!
Melody Himidian>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>MW
Shannon Brazee>>I agree with JP about women becoming our own worst enemies. There is always this competiitivness that lingers, and no unity amongst us all
Connie Shannon>>!
Megan Wiser>>one voice may not be heard but many voices can help make a difference. Sisterhood is very imortant but usually forgotten
Jessica Peterson>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>AB... sisterhood is wonderful... but we have to be careful not to use it to sweep our differences under the table... meaning...
Kanna Uehara>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP
Sheena Malhotra>>cs
Sheena Malhotra>>mh
Joi Pinney>>i agree with ashlee we should have more sisterhood, it helps to give a stronger foundation on which to stand on
Shannon Brazee>>!
Kanna Uehara>>JP, I'm sorry, could you explain what you meant "our own enemies"?
Connie Shannon>>Our society (run by men) dictates what a woman should be ( and we buy into to it!!!)
Sheena Malhotra>>sure... but it is important that within any "sisterhood", there is also the space to voice differences & critiques
Melody Himidian>>If women want to be heard on a national level, I think that communication and respect is key. If women begin to listen to eachother, they can grow together.
Benjamin Costa>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>SB
Jessica Peterson>>Well, we have women constantly breaking the glass ceiling...where are they? We adore (making a generalization) women like Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson, who in my opinion rebuild the glass ceiling of brick
Teresa Worrell>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>BC
Sheena Malhotra>>TW
Connie Shannon>>!
Kanna Uehara>>Thank you, JP
Roxanne Oddone>>!
Shannon Brazee>>I think that is what Lorde was trying to point out in our reading. If we do not recognize our differences, then we will only go on being opressed within this society. Sweeping our differences under the table will not solve the problem, recognizing them and doing something about it together will.
Benjamin Costa>>i agree that you have to be careful with a "sisterhood" because people can get a very whimsical romantic idea of it and lose sight of what the real goal is, like in the video when the woman was talking about how with the Black Panthers everything went bad because they didnt acknowledge each other's differences
Sheena Malhotra>>I should say that historically, that term "sisterhood" in the women's movement became a loaded one. Because women of color were sometimes expected to be silent when they were facing racism... in the name of "sisterhood"... so there is some scepticism about it.
Teresa Worrell>>I have been evaluating ways to inter connect into sisterhood and I have been so lost in my own race I don't know where to begin
Sheena Malhotra>>BC, exactly
Sheena Malhotra>>RO
Sheena Malhotra>>CS
Joi Pinney>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP
Kanna Uehara>>!
Roxanne Oddone>>That is what I wanted to say....I do not feel that in this "sisterhood" that all women were able to speek their voices
Sheena Malhotra>>I now want to bring in the audre lorde reading
Sheena Malhotra>>KU
Teresa Worrell>>Outside of WS studies classes people just say I have alot of passion when I speak of anything out of the day to day conversation, racism throughs people for loop
Connie Shannon>>But we gotta' remember who tells us what women should be
Joi Pinney>>i understand what your saying in order to have any successful group you need to be able to have an open forum to discuss where everyone sits on the issues
Sheena Malhotra>>she is talking about difference in different ways
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Sheena Malhotra>>what does she say is the reason for making hierarchies of difference in a capitalist society?
Sheena Malhotra>>anyone?
Jessica Peterson>>!
Jessica Peterson>>was it class and color?
Sheena Malhotra>>TW... I think it's GREAT that you have a lot of passion when speaking about this stuff. But yes, I"m sure it is a challenge and can sometimes feel isolating
Sheena Malhotra>>JP... no, she references surplus labor
Kanna Uehara>>SB, I agree with you. I think it is important for us to be aware of our differences. Until social consiciouness to gender or racial differences changes, the issues they face cannot be solved.
Sheena Malhotra>>meaning... she says that the reason we create hierarchies based on difference is that in a capitalist society, we always need to "otherize" some groups... those are the groups that then serve as surplus, cheap labor
Sheena Malhotra>>it is an interesting take on why we consistently pick on some groups (can change who those groups are)... to otherize... and therefore to exploit
Teresa Worrell>>like immigrants?
Ashlee Burke>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>Going back to the Moraga piece, she says, "The danger lies in ranking the oppressions. The danger lies in failing to acknowledge the specificity of the oppression"
Sheena Malhotra>>AB
Sheena Malhotra>>TW. yes
Shannon Brazee>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>comments?
Sheena Malhotra>>sb
Sheena Malhotra>>
Jessica Peterson>>JP
Sheena Malhotra>>JP
Jessica Peterson>>An opression is an oppression, what I get from her quotation is that it is important to find whom exactly the oppression is directed towards
Melody Himidian>>!
Renae Flores>>!
Shannon Brazee>>I think otherizing groups really depends on what is going on in terms of world affairs. Periodically, it is always one specific group that is picked on so to say. WWII-Japanese, present day- people from the Middle East
Victoria Barco>>!
Ashlee Burke>>I believe that in even in gender that is true. Like men may feel that it's easier to look down upon women because they are physical stronger, however, they may not be emotional. Also, because throughout history and even today women do not relaize they are being oppressed.
Benjamin Costa>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. I think she is warning against creating hierarchies of oppression... meaning it's worse to be poor than it is to be black... or it's worse to be black and poor than it is to be gay and poor...
Sheena Malhotra>>AND
Jessica Peterson>>oh, I get it now
Sheena Malhotra>>she's asking us also NOT to conflate all oppressions with each other
Barbara Abantao>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>meaning there is a connectedness between the oppressions on different dimensions... but there are also differences, there are specifics to those experiences that shouldn't be conflated
Sheena Malhotra>>BC, BA
Benjamin Costa>>She also points out that we need to name the enemy within ourselves as well as outside
Victoria Barco>>as JP said, opression is opression... You can only truly fix the problem of opression after you recognize who's being opressed and why.
Jessica Peterson>>!
Megan Wiser>>!
Tamika Miller>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP, MW, TM
Jessica Peterson>>so those whom are oppressed shouldnt be gathered into all one group because ultimately their goals won't be acheived?
Barbara Abantao>>That would make more sense because in doing so, the line of what is right or wrong, or ok or not is blurred thus making it ok to do... or to think that way
Jessica Peterson>>As they are all oppressed for different reasons?
Megan Wiser>>opression is opression so if all these groups are being oppressed what makes one worse than the other
Roxanne Oddone>>!
Tamika Miller>>when they are saying this are they meaning that oppression is a state of mind?
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Sheena Malhotra>>JP. That's not actually true.
Jessica Peterson>>oh
Sheena Malhotra>>I think we can achieve a lot by banding together, and seeing the commonalities.
Kanna Uehara>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>but at the same time... you don't want equate all oppression as one
Barbara Abantao>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>TM. It can be psychological... but it can also be physical, it can be economical, it can be social
Sheena Malhotra>>KU, BA
Sheena Malhotra>>BC. you also bring up a very good point.
Kanna Uehara>>As some people say, opression is opression. I really agree with that. To solve this problem, we need to think about how we see people who are different from us and why oppression happens in our society.
Sheena Malhotra>>she wants us to look at how we have oppressed, even as we look at how we have internalized our own oppression
Barbara Abantao>>I agree, it is the differences that makes everyone learn how to interact despite the fact that we have different beleifs but one common goal of being given equal rights
Jessica Peterson>>It was a bit eye opening for me to see my own oppression
Ashlee Burke>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>AB
Sheena Malhotra>>JP . do you want to say more about that?
Jessica Peterson>>Ill wait until Ashlee writes her thought
Jessica Peterson>>but definetly yes
Ashlee Burke>>I agree with JP. When I started college I never relaized how I and other women are being oppressed. You seem to just accpect the oppression and think that's your place in society
Tamika Miller>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>TP
Sheena Malhotra>>TM, i mean
Jessica Peterson>>My father is half Japanese hlaf Caucasian, and he raised myself and my sister and we were never raised to be demure or quiet, respectful, but were alays able to vocalize ourselves
Kanna Uehara>>!
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Jessica Peterson>>I always felt I was vocal in things I didnt like ro agree with
Sheena Malhotra>>AB... yes... we think "that's just how things are"... that's the norm
Sheena Malhotra>>but those norms are created.
Tamika Miller>>i'm having a hard time undersatnding. I don't understand what you mean when you say how we have oppressed. Oppressed what? our feelings, other people. I'm bit confused about their definetion of opression.
Jessica Peterson>>but coming to college, sitting watching the movie I realized my true oppressor was me
Sheena Malhotra>>for example, Lorde writes about the "Mythical Norm"
Sheena Malhotra>>KU
Melody Himidian>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>anyone want to give Tamika a definition for oppression?
Sheena Malhotra>>MH
Kanna Uehara>>I have become a physically disabled person since I was 5. Since then, I have experienced opression in many areas of my life. I could notgo to regular school like other children. I waas forced to go to special schools for only disabled kids.
Connie Shannon>>!
Jessica Peterson>>oppression for me is the disenfranchisement of a group of people for the betterment of another on the basis of superiority and power
Sheena Malhotra>>CS
Barbara Abantao>>!
Connie Shannon>> Opression: CRULE EXERCISE OF POWER
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. that's a good one
Kanna Uehara>>!
Jessica Peterson>>thank you
Sheena Malhotra>>BA, KU
Renae Flores>>!
Kanna Uehara>>JP, I totally agree with you
Melody Himidian>>When it comes to oppression today, people say, :oh, that's just the way it is." I think that they need to realize that that's not the way it has always been or the way it's supposed to be. For example, Native Americans, before there was colonization, women held power.
Sheena Malhotra>>JP... all I'll modify in your definition is that it is on the basis of ASSUMED superiority
Connie Shannon>>oops cruel
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Connie Shannon>>
Connie Shannon>>
Barbara Abantao>>oprression is being taken advantage in your daily life by all these "feminine" directions that was put forth by someone who was not a woman.
Connie Shannon>>sorry
Sheena Malhotra>>MH. good point
Sheena Malhotra>>RF
Ashlee Burke>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>AB
Ashlee Burke>>I think a part of oppression has been set by the media. We are suppose to act and look a certain way. Most advertisments have women looking up to men as if they are our strenght
Renae Flores>>I have a quote i wanted to share: "There can be no real pervasive system of oppression...without the consent of the oppressed." - Florynce R. Kennedy
Joi Pinney>>!
Tamika Miller>>!
Jessica Peterson>>!
Kanna Uehara>>!
Victoria Barco>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP, TM, JP, KU
Joi Pinney>>i like that quote renae
Crysol Dominguez>>?
Jessica Peterson>>Women are partially to blame aswell for the opression set by the media
Sheena Malhotra>>RF. I think it's an interesting quote. But it borders on a "blame the victim" stance.
Sheena Malhotra>>So I'd be careful with it
Renae Flores>>!
Kanna Uehara>>Professor, actually I could not understand the sentence clearly that RF just shared. Could you please explain it?
Sheena Malhotra>>CD
Sheena Malhotra>>RF
Benjamin Costa>>!
Tamika Miller>>that's a really great quote. and i guess that why i have a hard time with all these readings. my family came fromt hat time of being slaves and being free slaves and my mom rasied me to not settlle of the less in life
Sheena Malhotra>>BC
Teresa Worrell>>!
Tamika Miller>>so maybe that's why i don't get being oppressed
Crysol Dominguez>>in regards to RF: does this mean the oppressed are "oppressed" because they want it? or more because they choose not to fight it?
Victoria Barco>> "It is the responsibility of the opressed to teach the opressors their mistakes." -Lorde I could not have said it any better.
Renae Flores>>i just feel that people should make more of their own efforts to help themselves
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>!
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Renae Flores>>!
Megan Wiser>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>TM. I think it works very well as an inspirational stance. But these readings are pointing out the spaces where the institutional racism is something that is oppressive
Tamika Miller>>ok now that makes sense
Benjamin Costa>>I think the quote kind of explains a bit what Moraga meant by naming the oppressor with in ourselves. We oppress ourselves if we just comply to the oppression unwittingly
Teresa Worrell>>Our Justice system, our media, and the many races keeps us oppressed, I never once opited to be opressed
Sheena Malhotra>>KU. The quote means that if you do not "agree" to be oppressed, no one can really oppress you... meaning... even in the worst situation, you can work towards a better space
Megan Wiser>>vb i loved that statement as well. What a better way for those that oppress but to be taught their mistakes by those who were oppressed
Jessica Peterson>>!
Renae Flores>>For example, I am half hispanic, and half caucasian...I could choose to be a "victim" of my race, or I could choose to embrace it. I am very proud to be who I am, and very proud of my background...
Sheena Malhotra>>ECR, RF, MW
Sheena Malhotra>>JP
Roxanne Oddone>>nevermind, I answered my own question!
Kanna Uehara>>Thank you so mcuh, Professor.
Roxanne Oddone>>!
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Sheena Malhotra>>RF. Yes. And I think that the readings are also advocating that space of being proud of who you are.
Sheena Malhotra>>BUT... that doesn't mean that we have to pretend that inequality or racism doesn't exist!
Jessica Peterson>>When we feel oppressed we have a undeniable OLBLIGATION and RESPONSIBILITY to ourselves to speak up
Sheena Malhotra>>part of being proud of who you are, is critiquing systems that try to put you down
Sheena Malhotra>>right
Sheena Malhotra>>okay, let's weave in the yamada reading now.
Victoria Barco>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>any comments, or points of resonance from this reading for folks?
Jacqueline Brennan>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>VB
Crysol Dominguez>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JB
Jessica Peterson>>!
Jacqueline Brennan>>When Yamada said the part about her student saying that their anger made her angry, because she didn?t expect their anger, it made me wonder just how many people would be in the same situation. People are so blissfully ignorant, when they are among the accepted. Reality must be such a slap in the face!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP
Kanna Uehara>>!
Victoria Barco>>I really loved reading this. I was so surprised at how people reacted to Yamada standing up for herself in the situation with the college.
Ashlee Burke>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>cd
Joi Pinney>>!
Barbara Abantao>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>KU, AB, JP
Sheena Malhotra>>BA
Jessica Peterson>>I find when Yamada stated that being invisible is no way of living
Ashlee Burke>>I enjoyed the reading because it broke the stereotype of Asian women being passive and quiet
Kanna Uehara>>I like this reading. I am not Asian American but I am Japanese, so I can really understand what she sais.
Joi Pinney>>i didn't like how they assumed that she was being doing something so out of her character that they had to put the blame on the feminists
Jessica Peterson>>what about those women whom prefer their lives that way
Tamika Miller>>!
Crysol Dominguez>>i found that when someone speakes about their oppression many do feel "angry" about the oppressed' anger.
Sheena Malhotra>>TM
Kanna Uehara>>!
Barbara Abantao>>I can relate to Yamada, in a sense that asian women's passiveness of resistence is almost invisible that people think we do not care at all.. Asian american women do need to learn to speak more and not to be anymore passive than they are.
Sheena Malhotra>>CD. Right... like "why are they stepping out of line"... and not just accepting what comes their way
Sheena Malhotra>>KU
Tamika Miller>>i loved it when she said that now that she is aware she is going to be more visible then ever.
Jessica Peterson>>I personally am a mut, Japanese Korean English Russian and Danish
Ashlee Burke>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>TM, yes!
Sheena Malhotra>>AB
Barbara Abantao>>!
Ashlee Burke>>They are "stepping out of line" because they are voicing their views
Sheena Malhotra>>JP... the mixed-race population in the US is one of the fastest growing segments of our society
Kanna Uehara>>Sometimes, I feel that Asian women are still treated as "invisible" in society.
Kanna Uehara>>!
Tamika Miller>>!
Jessica Peterson>>My family is the modern day UN
Jessica Peterson>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>KU, TM
Barbara Abantao>>I think if anything asian american women are still one of the presently subordinated women... they are kinda like going through what the "suburbia women were going through in the past. They are just coming out of their shell of oppression
Sheena Malhotra>>BA
Sheena Malhotra>>JP
Tamika Miller>>KU-i agree, until reading this i never really thought about theem not being seen, they aren't
Jessica Peterson>>and if they are being treated as invisible it is their responsibility to speak up...too many times people complain about being oppressed and that's all...we complain about the sterotypes and do nothing and say nothing to change them
Jessica Peterson>>it becomes the accept norm
Jessica Peterson>>that scares me more then the prejudice itself
Mike Black>>!
Benjamin Costa>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. Yes... one can speak up. At the same time... it is also our responsibility as members of this society to speak up whenever we see oppression... wherever it is... even if it is NOT being aimed at us
Sheena Malhotra>>MB, BC
Jessica Peterson>>true
Mike Black>>I never really thought about it until I read this paper. After reading it I realized that Asians are probably the most steriotyped people.
Benjamin Costa>>could part of it stem from social norms from Asian cultures and it still carries over into subsequent generations?
Tamika Miller>>!
Barbara Abantao>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>TM
Crysol Dominguez>>?
Renae Flores>>!
Jessica Peterson>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>BC. There are probably ties back to certain cultural norms. But at the same time, it becomes an issue when we use that to stereotype entire populations, and do so generation after generation.
Sheena Malhotra>>TM, BA, CD, RF, JP
Barbara Abantao>>I agree with what MBsaid... yes, I am asian and I hate math!
Crysol Dominguez>>is it safe to say that in the majority of cultures, women are taught to be submissive or obedient to the males (re: BC comment)?
Teresa Worrell>>lol
Tamika Miller>>being visble is refusing to seperate the actors from their actions and demanding that they be responsible for them. that is so powerful, it ties into we all have to act when we see it
Mike Black>>haha that's funny Barbara
Sheena Malhotra>>TM. I like that quote. It definitely calls for accountability
Renae Flores>>I think just by writing this piece, Yamada opened up every reader's eyes to what she is feeling...I think that is a wonderful contribution
Sheena Malhotra>>RF, yes
Sheena Malhotra>>this has been a very good discussion.
Kanna Uehara>>But, at the same time, I think that asian american women need to be more active and adovocate for their social and economic justice. That is why they are still considered as passive, slient, or subordinated by many amarican men.
Jessica Peterson>>The question is do they want the change?
Sheena Malhotra>>i would like you to EACH pick ONE favorite quote from any of the readings for today... and type it in NOW. Pick something that resonated most with you.
Jessica Peterson>>we tend to use America as the source of the "norm" in the world
Joi Pinney>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. I think that is true... and good questions to be asking.
Sheena Malhotra>>JP
Joi Pinney>>sorry i was typing in my quote
Sheena Malhotra>>okay
Victoria Barco>>"When we are not physically starving, we have the luxury to realize psychic and emotional starvation." -Moraga
Sheena Malhotra>>VB. Good one. Could you all also include the page number of the quote
Jessica Peterson>>"It is a lifetime pursuit for each one of us to extract these distortions from our living at the same time as we recognize, reclaim, and define those differences upon which they are imposed-Audre Lorde
Jacqueline Brennan>>"refusing to recognize difference makes it impossible to see the different problems and pitfalls facing us as women." -Lorde
Victoria Barco>>Page 29.
Ashlee Burke>>"He told us to pick up only the apples that were on the ground and not to touch the ones that were on the trees. The apples on the ground were rotten. We picked them up anyway and I took home a basketful to my mother. She made pies, my mother could always make something out of nothing."
Melody Himidian>>"Unacknowledged class differences rob women of eachothers' energy and creative insight" (Lorde 183)
Tonya Schmidt>>"Change means growth, and growth can be painful"
Crysol Dominguez>>I had no choice but to ente into the life of my mother. I had no choice. I took her life into my heart, . . .
Teresa Worrell>> what I am saying is that the joy of looking like a white girl ain't so great since i realized i could be beaten on the street for being a dyke.
Jessica Peterson>>I like that one TW
Joi Pinney>>"I have internalized a racism and classism, where the object of oppression is not only someone outsied of my skin, but the someone inside my skin"
Sheena Malhotra>>these are great quotes
Barbara Abantao>>"I did not want to have ten children. N-o-o-o God." by Aptheker
Crysol Dominguez>>?
Joi Pinney>>
Joi Pinney>>sorry
Sheena Malhotra>>CD, JP
Joi Pinney>>barbara i liked that one too
Renae Flores>>"It is in looking to the nightmare that the dream is found." - Moraga
Mona Munoz>>My lesbianism is the avenue through which I have learned the most about silence and opression, and it continues to be the most tactile reminder to me that we are not free human beings -Moraga p28-9
Crysol Dominguez>>I am still having trouble, where can i find the transcripts of our chats?
Sheena Malhotra>>RF, MM... those are excellent quotes!
Kanna Uehara>>"Unacknowledged class differences rob woemn of eachothers' enegy and creative insight" by Lodre
Sheena Malhotra>>CD. I'm sorry...that's been my fault. I had trouble with posting them. I will try and get that sorted in a day or so
Crysol Dominguez>>ok, just making sure i am not lost. thank you
Connie Shannon>>"What your Mother tells you now in time you will come to know."
Roxanne Oddone>>!Rather than a quote, what applied to me most was from the Tapestries of life when Mrs. Douglas reflected on her life and said "Oh, I thought that I could do great things, but it didn't work out that way".
Benjamin Costa>>"The wind will not respond to entreaties anyway, one reasons; one should have sense enough to know that. I'm not ready to except this evolutionary reasoning. It is too rigid for me; I would like to think my new awareness is going to make me more visible than ever"
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>"silence is like starvation".
Kanna Uehara>>!
Megan Wiser>>"but one voice is not enough, nor two"-moraga
Sheena Malhotra>>BC, ECR... good choices
Sheena Malhotra>>KU
Sheena Malhotra>>okay... as the last of the quotes are coming in... let me just make some comments/announcements
Kanna Uehara>>Oh-, I didn't realize that somebody already shared the quote I put. I am sorry. I will find another one.
Sheena Malhotra>>i think it is wonderful that you are all reading these texts as closely as you are
Barbara Abantao>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>Moraga and Lorde are two FOUNDATIONAL readings for this course... so make sure you read them very thoroughly
Sheena Malhotra>>BA
Sheena Malhotra>>we do not meet online next week...
Sheena Malhotra>>and the following week is your test, i believe
Sheena Malhotra>>it will be on all the class materials upto that point.
Barbara Abantao>>these texts are meaning more to me now the more I read them. They have awakened and empowered the woman in me :)
Sheena Malhotra>>BA. that's wonderful
Barbara Abantao>>thank you
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>In terms of the test... log in to WebCT... like you do for these chats. you will see an icon for the test.
Irina Kapulkin>>is the test going to be multiple choice format?
Sheena Malhotra>>use it to do it.
Sheena Malhotra>>ECR
Sheena Malhotra>>the test will be a mix of MC questions and short answers
Tonya Schmidt>>?
Sheena Malhotra>>obviously it is open book. but it is timed. and you only get ONE attempt.
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>first day of class you said there would be an icon where past chats were available to view. where are those
Irina Kapulkin>>and we can only access it one time?
Sheena Malhotra>>so make sure you have a good connection before you start it
Sheena Malhotra>>if you get booted off... you won't be able to get back in
Crysol Dominguez>>?
Sheena Malhotra>>ECD. I was just explaining... I have had some difficulty posting those. I hope to get those put up by tomorrow.
Kanna Uehara>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>You'll find them linked from the MAIN Class webpage (not the one in webCT)
Sheena Malhotra>>CD
Sheena Malhotra>>ts
Sheena Malhotra>>ku
Crysol Dominguez>>til what time do we have to complete it?
Megan Wiser>>is there a certain time are test cn be taken at
Tonya Schmidt>>you answered my question
Kanna Uehara>>Prof, next week we have no class??
Jessica Peterson>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>KU. not online like this. you have to post to discussion boards, etc.
Teresa Worrell>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>jp
Kanna Uehara>>OK, thank you.
Kanna Uehara>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>tw
Jessica Peterson>>Since I added on the 12 and there have been multiple posts since then, do I e-mail my work
Jessica Peterson>>or post it to the site?
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. yes
Sheena Malhotra>>ku
Teresa Worrell>>Speaking of discussion boards, would it be to much to ask for people to post sooner, I work and take four classes after Sunday night my time is sucked up.
Jessica Peterson>>It'll be in your account thank you
Kanna Uehara>>How should I study for the coming test?
Sheena Malhotra>>KU. YOu want to make sure you've done all the readings and seen the film. When you're reading, read for concepts, and try and mkae connections in your head between different arguments that authors are making
Sheena Malhotra>>like we did today... between some of what Moraga said, and what Lorde said.
Sheena Malhotra>>those connections will be useful when answering the short answer questions
Kanna Uehara>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>TW. I encourage all of you to try and post earlier... so that folks have time to respond to each other's posts... in a more meaningful manner
Sheena Malhotra>>KU
Megan Wiser>>!
Kanna Uehara>>How many short essay questions??
Sheena Malhotra>>MW
Kanna Uehara>>!
Sheena Malhotra>>KU... have not made the test yet... probably 2-3
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Megan Wiser>>what time are we allowed to start the test
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Sheena Malhotra>>I can set a window for the time of this class... and a little beyond. so from 4-7 p.m. on that Wed
Megan Wiser>>ok great
Sheena Malhotra>>alright... any last questions?
Connie Shannon>>?
Victoria Barco>>?
Crysol Dominguez>>?
Sheena Malhotra>>i want you all to use the last 10-15 minutes to chat in groups
Kanna Uehara>>how can I get the transcripts of today's chat?? Actually I want them because sometimes it is difficult to keep up with you.
Sheena Malhotra>>CS, VB, CD
Victoria Barco>>Has anyone heard of any performances/talks that are close by?
Jessica Peterson>>YES
Sheena Malhotra>>KU... I will post a link from the class webpage tomorrow
Connie Shannon>>How much time are we allowed for the test?
Jessica Peterson>>the governer of Hawaii will be on campus in early March
Kanna Uehara>>Thank you so much, prof.
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Crysol Dominguez>>Do you think we may have till midnight, because i have a class from 7-10 on wed. and i live far from campus so i leave about 6?
Jessica Peterson>>there's a majors fair on the 25 I believe
Sheena Malhotra>>CS... probably 45 mins or an hour... will depend on the test I make up
Connie Shannon>>k, ty
Sheena Malhotra>>JP. The majors fair won't work as an event
Evelyn Cazun-Rodriguez>>Does our group want to go to chat # 2 to meet now?
Ashlee Burke>>ok
Megan Wiser>>sure
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Sheena Malhotra>>CD. You could do it at the time of the class. I can't give it too large a windo
Sheena Malhotra>>window
Connie Shannon>>?
Crysol Dominguez>>ok. i see it wont ve a long test...
Megan Wiser>>jpour groupe is meeting in room 2 for our group project
Crysol Dominguez>>thatnk you
Megan Wiser>>JP
Kanna Uehara>>Prof, can I email you about taking the test later or tomorrow??
Joi Pinney>>Jackie could i have the webpage address now
Sheena Malhotra>>As far as events. Emma Perez will be speaking at the Women's Center on campus on March 17th @ 3 or 4 p.m. It's a free event... and one you should definitely check out
Jacqueline Brennan>>i emailed it to you
Joi Pinney>>ok sorry
Joi Pinney>>thanks
Jacqueline Brennan>>sure
Sheena Malhotra>>alright, i'm logging off... have a good night everyone
Jacqueline Brennan>>good night
Joi Pinney>>good night
Jessica Peterson>>thank you
Connie Shannon>>Are we excused?
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Sheena Malhotra>>CS. yes
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