Mark Bell's Post to the Global Warming Dilemma

Global Warming - The Difficulty of Accessing the Science
reply icon Discussion List -> Got Ideas? watch icon Watch   bookmark icon Bookmark it! b Mark Topic As Read 
Author Message
new post icon11-17-2007 01:55:01     Subject: Global Warming - The Difficulty of Accessing the Science quote icon edit icon up
Mark Bell

avatar

Joined: 08-16-2007 19:49:10
Messages: 10
Location: DreamScape

Well, here's the thing. I monitored the global warming dilemma for a while, waiting to post until I had gathered as many opinions as possible. The official dilemma is now closed.

My question is this: I do not know how to read the original studies. The studies are mathematical models, from what I understand. Hence there is an equation with lots of variables that says "If CO2 rises to this-and-such a level, the model shows an increase in warming." But I cannot find these models, and the writings I've seen are forbiddingly complex. They are, in other words, inaccessible to any but practitioners in the field -- insiders. What this seems to mean, then, is that interpreters of science such as myself can only report on what other interpreters have said. We cannot access the primary sources.

This is more worrisome when critics of the mainstream opinion say "Yes, but this model doesn't take so-and-so into account." I cannot independently verify that, or disprove it.

I certainly can teach to consensus science. I have in fact hosted global warming debates on our campus. One person argued that solar variation is the largest cause -- Mars is getting warmer too. I can even nuance my teaching by pointing out the times that consensus science has been mistaken, or consensus economics, or politics, or whatever.

I hope you see my dilemma. Do I xerox a Time magazine article on "lay science" and call it a day? Can you point me to a model that is comprehensible and, as a bonus, speaks to the critics?

Thanks --


Mark Bell (Mentee)
Science Teacher, Middle School
New Heights Prep School
818 464-5132
profile icon private message icon email icon
f
new post icon11-25-2007 19:27:20     Subject: Re:Global Warming - The Difficulty of Accessing the Science quote icon up
Mary Dunn

avatar

Joined: 06-21-2007 14:36:01
Messages: 342

Hi Mark,

I think your question and concerns are very valid. 

I don't know if this is what you are looking for;  my guess is it won't be nearly as comprehensive as what you are looking for.  But a great resource for middle school kids is the NOAA International Polar Year stuff.  The focus of this time period is Climate Change.  It doesn't address climate change in a way that it gives the model but rather in a way kids researh data and draw their own conclusions.

You can access it from....   

                          http://www.ipy.org/

   and.......        http://www.ipy.noaa.gov/

     and.......      http://www.lib.noaa.gov/collections/ipy.html

   and.....   some history       http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/magazine/igy/welcome.html

I spent quite a bit of time on this with 7th graders last year with great success.  Climate change was our topic but IPY was our "tool" to explore it.  Let me know if you'd like more info on this.  I'd be happy to share.

Good luck!  Mary

 


Mary Dunn, eMSS Facilitator/Mentor
Maine Math and Science Alliance ScienceSpecialist
Oakland, Maine
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Arstotle
profile icon private message icon email icon
e
new post icon12-01-2007 13:40:06     Subject: Re:Global Warming - The Difficulty of Accessing the Science quote icon up
Kendall Zoller

avatar

Joined: 07-15-2007 19:37:20
Messages: 37
Location: Foresthill, California

Hi Mark

 

I just posted on the multicultural topic and it is timely for me to read your post. So here comes my bias frame - - - the studies you talk about are all grounded in specific models (mathematical and labratory based). Both are fine and within the parameters defined and limited within each model they are accurate, precise, and replicable.  Interestingly they only measure and explain what they are designed to measure and explain.

This leads one to think about other explanations - beyond the politics and the model. For instance on an aside, why is it that when the Tsunami hit Indonesia a few groups of indigenous people had no fatalities when the tsunami hit while other "more developed" towns and villages had multitudes of deaths? There is no single explanation here, however it is interesting that when interviewing the indigenous folks they talked of their "beliefs" and how, though an oral culture, they understood the phenomenon that was occurring and what to do. They had no electronic tsunami warning, no internet, no PA system, no emergency broadcast system - they had nothing from the 20th or 21st century to inform them with any relevance.

For global warming the world is being persuaded from both sides in a dialectic (by definition the argument is already grounded in a form of traditional Greek logic). The explanations, as you have indicated, are also interpretations of delightfully complex, mathematically based models. Again, they will only be valid and reliable within the confines defined by their own model. They can explain only what they are designed to explain. Hummmm., I know this explanation is not going to answer your inquiry. My hope is that we do not get caught in our own dialectic eddy. It sort of reminds me of Gulliver's Travels and the story of the "scientists" in one of the cities that were trying to extract sunlight from a cucumber....

 

Kendall

 


Peace,

Kendall
http://www.sierra-training.com
profile icon private message icon email icon
d
12-19-2007 16:32:12     Subject: Re:Global Warming - The Difficulty of Accessing the Science quote icon up
Mary Dunn

avatar

Joined: 06-21-2007 14:36:01
Messages: 360

Check this great site out; lots of climate change and inquiry teaching information

http://www.exploratorium.edu/


Mary Dunn, eMSS Facilitator/Mentor
Maine Math and Science Alliance ScienceSpecialist
Oakland, Maine
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Arstotle
profile icon private message icon email icon
a
new post icon12-20-2007 02:17:03     Subject: Re:Global Warming - The Difficulty of Accessing the Science quote icon edit icon up
Mark Bell

avatar

Joined: 08-16-2007 19:49:10
Messages: 12
Location: DreamScape

Good postings -- thanks!

Here is what I'm going to do. I'm rolling Inconvenient Truth for my Humanities class (double block each day). We'll roll another video making alternative claims (I believe it's a Discover show). I'll take the class through some film criticism -- how do people use cinema for advocacy? What techniques are in use? What does the science have to say? It is not the consensus that we're hearing about, at least according to this solid batch of scientific petitioners

Interesting stuff. When we're done I'll have a detailed web site with my students' findings at my Moodle server, nhps.us. Stay tuned!

Cheers --

 

Mark


Mark Bell (Mentee)
Science Teacher, Middle School
New Heights Prep School
818 464-5132
profile icon private message icon email iconwebsite icon
a