The log from Autumnal Equinox
Thu Feb 24 12:52:26 2005 PST
Logging is turned on by Abnormal_DNA.
flyingelmow says, "k""
pizza says, "kidding, ill look weird"
flyingelmow says, "okay so its just you and I in this rooom""
pizza says, "yes grammatical master"
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Abnormal_DNA holds up a big sign: | |
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flyingelmow says, "So what were your thoughts on the aritcle""
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Abnormal_DNA holds up a big sign: | HOckenberry |
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pizza says, "it was an interesting comparison to the entire israeli palestine conflict"
pizza says, "i think it was just making that comparison in order to establish the premise that the internet can't be monitored"
pizza says, "or if it were to be, it would have to be totally overhauled"
flyingelmow says, "i thought that it was interesting that the author of the article took the stance and brought up points of observation and containment"
flyingelmow says, "and he used that at least i beleive as a pefect copmparison for what the internet is. and how it can and generally moderated"
flyingelmow says, "true i do beleive tha tas well heheh.. sorry i didnt look up i was caught in thought""
flyingelmow says, "but stilll its also an assertion and shows the false promises of freedom by the internet""
pizza says, "it's ok, everyone gets at least one chance"
pizza asks, "what do you mean by false promises?"
flyingelmow says, "in lieu of creating more opportunities it creates yet another way to be moderated, and a nother thing to use to flux ones control""
pizza says, "where in the text is that exactly? i wanna see it in context"
flyingelmow says, "well the generall theory that the internet opens up more doprs and with the new techonological possabilities come new venues to advance society""
Abnormal_DNA says, "If you guys have read the spender essay. It is kind of the same. Hockenberry was really grateful that the technology if is place where true freedom can be met."
flyingelmow says, "in context not of the article addressing the promis of freedom etc. but the general promise of the internet""
pizza says, "yeah, that's kinda how i took it, since he used the whole faxing without restriction yadda example"
pizza says, "i was responding to DNA by the way"
Abnormal_DNA says, "in addition he was saying that one's identity is not important."
pizza asks, "hockenberry?"
flyingelmow says, "hahah sorry""
pizza asks, "sorry DNA, did you get that from hockenberry or the other guy?"
pizza says, "<--- im a fast typer"
Abnormal_DNA exclaims, "pizza the author that we were suppose to talk about!!!"
pizza says, "hahaha you confused me by mentioning the other author"
Abnormal_DNA says, "sorry"
pizza asks, "mmm can you point out where you saw that?"
Abnormal_DNA asks, "the what?"
pizza says, "like paragraph # page, for the whole identity is not important"
flyingelmow says, "with the access and regardless of the built borders, i do psuedo agree with the author of the peice that it allows some form of dissolution or borders"
pizza says, "elaborate please"
Abnormal_DNA says, "remember the satory that an Israeli kid could be emailing Arafat, the leader of PLO"
flyingelmow says, "what do you believe would be a potentila pitfall of the fallen borders though"
Abnormal_DNA says, "the story"
pizza says, "the potential pitfalls are obvious"
flyingelmow says, "k what about tha story"
Thu Feb 24 13:02:27 2005 PST
flyingelmow says, "how so"
pizza asks, "rrr refferring to me now?"
flyingelmow asks, "pizza what is so bluntly obvious?"
pizza says, "well the pitfalls are the same given in the israeli example, in there is a lack of borders"
pizza says, "if you consider the internet as a medium to exchange information, there is no way to monitor it successfully without changing it drastically"
Abnormal_DNA exclaims, "the possible pitfall if too much freedom can lead to abuse, however the author did not address that!!!"
pizza says, "bahhh i dont even know what we're talking about anymore"
flyingelmow says, "but once you change it drastically it is no longer the same offered good for it has changed basis.. "
Abnormal_DNA says, "the pittfalls"
flyingelmow says, " so freddom needs to be monitored tro be kept from extreme abuse of it,... therefore disolving some freedom.. soi no one can be free"
flyingelmow asks, "?"
pizza asks, "whats your insight on the pitfalls DNA?"
Abnormal_DNA exclaims, "Pizza the possible pitfall is too much freedom can lead to abuse, however the author did not address that!!!"
pizza says, "haha ok, lets ask elmo then"
pizza says, "also, i think the israeli comparison raised that question without stating it"
pizza says, "er.. implied"
pizza asks, "elmo?"
flyingelmow says, "well i conceed that excessive freedom leaves the option for abuse.. but im not so sure that i would agree that abuse would occur.. that is worth mentioning to take and or require modification. the pitfalls are worth it potentiallly in my view"
Abnormal_DNA asks, "whos elmo?"
flyingelmow says, "me"
pizza says, "the pitfalls are whats so great though"
flyingelmow says, " why would you claim them to be great"
pizza says, "well the freedom to exchange information so to speak"
pizza says, "thats the whole reason we have filesharing like napster and p2p apps"
pizza says, "that pitfall is the biggest concern right now, but the one that we least want to give up"
pizza says, "the filesharing community that is"
pizza says, "sorry i talk a lot"
Abnormal_DNA exclaims, "I agree with Fly...mow Freedom is important and the only way we could solve this possible proble is by being responsible on how we use these technologies that wewere getting!!!"
flyingelmow says, "because i believe that all of us recognize the potential detreimental effects would happen.. but no one can think of one example of what that realistically woudl be... whats gonna happen with the de-institutionalization of government regulation on say voting"
pizza says, "in english please"
pizza says, "DNA, but there is the reality that not everyone is going to be responsible"
pizza says, "its hard to have reality live up to the ideal"
flyingelmow says, "with the issue of napster...etc.. the pitfall was recording ompanies loosing money.. okay so the people stealing are feeling it.. listeners... pay more for music cds.... sorry sdeosnt seem worth justifying governmental controlll on all aspects cause the music bizness suffers in their one venue.. they still make millions on appearences, shows.. and that revuine increasesd when mroe people file share and knwo the music.. so its debateble if they are even loosing money...... once again where tthe puitfall needing regulation"
Abnormal_DNA exclaims, "As I have said, we Have to be responsible. In voting for example, if we are to be honest nothing will be change. doing it manually is the same as be computers!!!"
flyingelmow says, "tyhaank you DNA I kind a think that responsibility is somehting some will learn.. at wich cost.. but generally inherent "
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Abnormal_DNA holds up a big sign: | Who in here believes that file |
| sharing should be allowed??? |
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pizza asks, "in the sense of piracy no, but how could you restrict it?"
flyingelmow says, "i dont beleived i have enouph information to ban it.. and all benefitial aspects"
Thu Feb 24 13:12:59 2005 PST
pizza says, "beneficial aspects"
pizza says, "freedom to exchange information"
pizza says, "easily accessible info"
Abnormal_DNA says, "benefits, Files that can be use in schools!!! "
pizza asks, "but the question is, do the pros outweigh the cons and vice versa?"
flyingelmow says, "the ability to globally share information... shoot saves people on postage.. and wasted materialls.. i could argue that it saves trees hehe"
pizza says, "haha"
Abnormal_DNA exclaims, "Yesterday I gave a speech about a certain MUsic video, I used file sharing to get an access to the video to present to class!!"
pizza says, "i use filesharing to get just about anything"
flyingelmow says, "are you stating rights shoudl be given when the pros outweight the cons in stead of inherent intill its clear that cons are that detrimental"
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Abnormal_DNA holds up a big sign: | They liked my presentation! |
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flyingelmow asks, "how do you hold up a sign?"
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pizza holds up a big sign: | PIRATE |
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pizza says, "BS command"
flyingelmow asks, "huh?"
pizza says, "BS insert crap here"
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flyingelmow holds up a big sign: | like this? |
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Abnormal_DNA says, "yes"
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pizza holds up a big sign: | PERFECT |
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flyingelmow says, "woohhooo you rock thank you :p"
pizza says, "ok so let's do the whole final word thing and sum up the meat of our opinions"
pizza says, "the problem was regulation/restriction and its application to the internet. it seems a long way off before it can be regulated and i think the author was on point with saying to do something like this (the israeli example) would be a big pain in the butt"
flyingelmow says, "i think that this article raised interesting points of the Electronic potential pitfalls.. but doesnt really address adequately what those pitfalls are.. and at wich beificial cost the compare to.... it is and interesting eye opener into the discusssiong of freedom adn possible benfits"
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pizza holds up a big sign: | Your thoughts Abnormal_DNA? |
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flyingelmow says, "maybe dissolved borders woudl be benefitial. and especially in governementall interaction with the publeic"
pizza says, "but it could do just as much harm"
pizza says, "regardless i think the article was used as an "eye opener" to the what pitfalls could occur"
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| Summary: Well the author's point is |
| that technology and the internet |
Abnormal_DNA holds up a big sign: | is a very special place it is the |
| kind of EUTOPIA that everyone was |
| lonnging for. It's the only place |
| that we can truly be FREE! |
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pizza hugs Abnormal_DNA.
pizza hugs flyingelmow.
pizza says, "hahahaha"
flyingelmow says, "my little twist on that DNA"
Abnormal_DNA says, "Good job yall"
pizza says, "word"
flyingelmow says, "is that it is another way for freedom but not the only"
Barahona has arrived.
pizza says, "ok im gonna pretend like im stretching"
pizza leaves for Four Seasons.
flyingelmow leaves for Four Seasons.
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| Topics : Are we ready to take on |
Abnormal_DNA holds up a big sign: | the responsibility "to be Truly |
| FREE?" |
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