I realized that my first Fighter
Kite survey was completed back in 1996, yet the interest in Fighters
has continued to grow since then. New kite plans have been made available,
combat rules have been modified and or improved upon, technology has provided
instant communication among fliers. Some fliers have departed to higher
places, while new fliers are continually joining the ranks.
YES!! It's definitely time for a new survey!
I received 41 survey responses from Fighter Fliers around the world.
It was very interesting to read all of the answers, and I'm sure that you
will enjoy the information provided below too. So read on!!
NOTE: Everyone had their own preferences of
what the 3 kites in their box would be, and there was such a wide range
of differences among them that I ended up listing them all.
Names are Listed in the order of Survey receipt.
|Jeff's Silhouette||Bruce's Slow Dog||Dennis' Buka|
|Gareau's Patang||Bruce Lambert's BASF||Ed Alden's Vari-fighter|
|Gareau's Patang Extreme||a Stafford Wallace fighter||modified Silver fighter
from Gallot's book
|2 Paper Indians with different personalities||1 of my homemade ripstop fighters with graphite bow & hardwood/bamboo laminate spine and several sized diameter bows.|
|a Staffordized Mylar kite||Light weight indoor fighter by Steve Bateman||ripstop fighter I made|
Santa Barbara, California
|Medium sized Tissue/Bamboo Indian||Large sized Tissue/Bamboo Indian||Grandmaster|
Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
|large Babu Khan||a medium Babu Khan||Indonesian|
|Steve Brown||Merlin Scout||Jeff Howard's PKC Icarex||Sky Delights Piranha|
London, England, UK
|Martyn Lawrence ripstop||Babu Khan traditional Indian (and a backup in case I break the other one!)|
North Yorkshire, UK
|Mylar Indian Fighter (Stafford Wallace)||Icarex square (homemade)||Paper Indian Fighter (Stafford Wallace)|
South of England, UK
Santa Barbara, California
|Dale Vanderhoof Black Diamond||Randy Shannon Baby Cicada||Stafford Wallace Indian Fighter, paper, any color|
|Jeff MacInnis mylar fighter||Bruce Lambert designed Buka I built myself||My own plastic bag indoor fighters|
|Mylar Stafford Wallace||Reed Richards Family Hata||Jeff MacInnis
|Stafford Wallace Mylar Indian||Tony Slater's Star Fighter||Geoff Cruplin's Square Square Korean|
|Vic's||good paper indian||one that I made|
|Peter Lloyd fighter||Mighty Mite||My home built mylar based on Tom Humphrey's "Dragonfly"|
|Indian (large)||Indian (small)||something small and very fast like a buka|
|Stanford Wallace mylar||Buka||small diamond|
|J. MacInnis' Silhouette||B. Lamberts' 5-2-12 & 1-2-5 (Orcon)|
|Lee Toy fighter||Jeff MacInnis' Silhouette||Most recent self-made kite|
San Diego, California
|Self made- two would probably be rip-stop||Self-made- about 20" x 22" plastic skinned all out fighter.|
|The last 3 that beat me in a tangle (If each person gave me the kite they beat me with)||my Yin-Yang|
|Indian||buka||another Indian type hybrid|
|silhouette||Stafford Wallace mylar||Hoppy (low wind kite)|
|Jeff Howard's outdoor fighter||Brian Johnson indoor fighter||Johnny's fighter from Fort Worden|
San Diego, California
|small mylar Stafford||2 different kinds of my homemade fighters
(regular 4 sided kind and a 5 sided kind)
|Small Paper Indian bowed stiff with a light spine||Anthony Howell's double bowed icarex for high winds||Stafford Wallace mylar|
|Stafford||Jeff Howard||any of Bruce Lamberts|
|a .5 G-2||a .5 Strait-A||a .6 Hornet|
|Bruce Lambert's Slow Dog||Seiko Nakamura's Bee Hata with Unari||Brazilian fighter|
|Stafford's medium size paper||Jeff MacInnis' silhouette||Stafford's medium size mylar with the trailing edge partially trimmed for high winds|
Granada Hills, California
|latest homemade high-tech fighter||one of Basir's large
| Indian- Paper
(med. or large)
|Small Afghan fighter||Med. Afghan fighter||Large Afghan fighter|
Santa Rosa ,California
|Bruce L.'s "Slowdog"||Steve B's "Bateman"||Dennis C.'s buka|
|Jeff's silhouette||a Bruce Lambert kite||a Brian Johnsen kite|
|Bart W van Assen
|A small Sanjo Rokkaku||a Wow Chula||Indonesian Hata|
Clayton, North Carolina
|An indoor orcon (not yet made, Paul Berhard inspired)||a Gareau Patang||a Buka (self-made)|
|small Indonesian||large Indian (Babu Khan)||personally designed kite based on Hindustan proportions|
2. What is your most Favorite kite and Why?
NOTE: Again there were Many favorites
listed. The kites are listed in Alpha order, and when possible, I
have tried to put the maker's name in parenthesis.
In the "Reason Why" column, I numbered each new response, equating it to one "Vote". So all the kites (27 different ones) mentioned below have at least one vote, but the Largest category, with 4 Votes, turned out to be the Homemade Fighter Kite. In second place there was a 4 way tie (with 3 votes each), between Babu Khan's kites, Staffordized Indian mylars, the Silhouette (by Jeff MacInnis) and "No particular favorites".
Not counted in the chart below was the one response of "Fighters" as the favorite kite, with no reason(s) stated.
|Acuna Spirit (Spencer Chun)||1. It is beautiful and sturdy - great for demonstrating what fighters can do.|
|Afghan Fighter - (Med. & large)||1. Has strong pull, more tension on the line, more challenging to maneuver.|
|Babu Khan||1. It is held together with numerous
pieces of sticky tape, but still excites every time it flies. It is light,
responsive, turns quickly and tracks beautifully whether at five, fifty
or five hundred meters.
2. Sheer fly ability and elegance.
3. Because they are a pleasure to fly in most conditions (except strong gusty winds)
|Buka||1. Because I enjoy the challenge of mastering a different combat strategy than those appropriate to indian derivatives.|
(Tom Humphrey's design)
|1. Very, very fast.|
|D26 (Bruce Lambert)||1. Fell in love with the ability to stop on a dime. I used that kite to win the novice class precision and line touch in Muncie.|
|Grandmaster - Fast||1. Fighter kite I first learned to fly, purchased in person from Joe Vaughn at Long Beach.|
|Homemade fighters / Newest experimental kite, etc.||1. Because I haven't completely
figured it out.
2. Fast, fast, and light pull
3. Cause it's new.
4. My mylar, high-tech fighter performs well, is extremely fast, can be controlled with only a light touch on the line, tracks & spins perfectly
|Indian - Paper/Medium||1. Most versatile/most alive and
2. Indian Paper kites have the greatest feel for me. I have to go through lots of them to find a great one but is worth it.
|Indian- Mylar (Stafford Wallace)||1. Because its reactions and performance
are far better than anything else in my kite box.
2. I haven't gotten a buka tuned properly yet.
3. Is tunable, responds well, has magic.
|1. I like to play tag with the rafters, and the goals in the gym.|
|Korean||1. Building a really good one is difficult but very satisfying when you get one that flies right every time.|
|Lambert's ultra light wind||1. Like a leaf in a breeze.|
|Mac Fighter (Malcolm Mcleod)||1. Very responsive and well produced (ripstop)|
|Malaysian wau barat
(made at Junction 1998)
|1. Memorable instructors, great materials, good winds, and my kite flew perfectly right off the table.|
|Merlin Scout||1. It flies in perfect harmony with my thoughts.|
|Patang (Richard Gareau)||1. I won it and it flies like a dream.|
|1. Huge wind range, easy to spin and control, tracks straight under power, fast.|
|PCK (Jeff Howard)||1. Good performance, great durability.|
|Rokkaku||1. For it's ability to be a fighter
kite as well as a static kite
without the attachment of a tail.
|Silhouette (Jeff MacInnis)||1. Teaches me new things about
what a fighter kite can do.
2. Control, feel, and predictability.
3. It is very versatile maneuverable and predictable
|"Slowdog" (Bruce Lambert)||1. It flies so nice and it gives me confidence. After all that's the same kite he won with at the Nationals in Muncie.|
|"Spot" (John McKenzie)||1. She's old, she's slow and getting' slower these days as she's carrying a lot of mending tape. When nothing else will fly I ask Spot to dance. She flies because she likes to. Spot is a great dance partner.|
|Starfighter (Tony Slater)||1. Flies very straight lines for an indian, and does exactly what it's told!! Flies in any conditions, and is pre- programmed to miss the trees!!|
|Vic's fighter (Vic Heredia)||1. Over all favorite|
|Yin-Yang (Richard Hurd)||1. I designed, and I am growing rather fond of. I must remember to control kite and not visa versa.|
|No Favorites/or the Favorite changes||1. Kite favorites change over time
2. Enjoy them all
3. The one I'm flying at the moment is my favorite!
3. What is your Favorite line? Favorite reel? Why?
NOTE: Given the diversity of kites preferred,
it stands to reason that there are just as many different preferences for
lines and reels. This made it hard to count in some instances, so
I've listed all the variants, but I did try to group similar ones
together. Reels mainly fell into two
types, the Halo/Gator/Yo-Yo Reel and the traditional Indian spool.
1. Homemade manjha
|Indian Style Spool
1. Homemade spool
|1. That's the only line to use with Afghani kites
2. Large, heavy spool makes reeling in the line nice and tight on the spool
1. 20# braided casting and jigging line
1. laminated wood yo-yo reel
1. Balance of light, thin, strong, non-twist, knots come out easily.
Fly with the reel on the ground so the line pulls off smoother than an indian reel.
2. Because of the higher winds this time of year.
1."Carpet & Button Thread"
2. Button thread
1. gator spool
|1. Cheap, reliable, many colors
1. cotton line
1. Gator YoYo reel
|1. The line doesn't burn my fingers like the Dacron line, and the reel
makes it very easy play out and to roll up.
2. Why? Cause I like em.
3. They just hold the line.
4. Anything heavier has too much
drag. Halos are just handy.
1. 9# cotton
|Indian Style Spool
1. Indian reel
|1. The reel has enough weight to let the line run off easily when flying
from the reel.
4. Line takes wax well, breaks in the hand, biodegradable, and cheap.
Spool holds lots of line, winds fast, looks cool.
one designed myself, about 6"dia x 6" long with detachable handle
|Waxed cotton, because it has little drag and doesn't burn fingers. Spool, because it's light, versatile and reels in line fast.|
1. Lightly waxed cotton
1. Gator Yo-yo
3. Good control, easy on hand when taking line in fast.
1. hard milled quilting thread
1. fishing reel hoop
|2. Cotton quilting thread is very lightly waxed, and is quite strong
Barbour 3/60 Irish linen
|Line makes my kite fly well.|
1. Irish Linen, lightly waxed
1. Yo-yo reel
|1. Simple, cheap, indestructible. I'm not good enough to fly off the
2. like the linen because I paid a small fortune for it in the auction at Nelson, so I'd better like it! Any old Halo-type reel is OK, the bigger the better to make re-winding faster (I fly from the hand, with line all over the ground)
3. It is so easy to use.
4. Easy to handle.
|kevlar, bees waxed||Elm reel||I like the weight, the balance, the shape and the look.|
|Big ball crochet thread, hot waxed||Small hoop I bought at Wings On the Wind||Why? Cheap|
|Coats and Clark Star Ultra Dee
upholstery thread, waxed
|Plastic Yo-Yo's||It's made for high speed commercial use and is much different than
Duel Duty or other cheaper "Fabric store" thread.
Yo-yo's are cheap.
|Ipcabod no. 30||Homemade Indian Style spool||I make the spools to suit my hands.|
|1.Vardhman Thread, waxed
2. vardhman w/ paraffin
|1. 4" plastic hoop
2. gator six inch real
|1. Both of these items were the first "real" fighter line and hoop
had access to.
2. waxed vardhman is a good
general purpose line.
|1. No line mentioned
2. Whatever I can scrounge
3. No line mentioned
|1. homemade reel (from a plan in the manjha newsletter)
2. Whatever I can scrounge
3. crazy eight reel
|3. Like this reel because of less twists in the line and little or no breaking parts.|
4. Have you experienced the thrill of Manjha combats?
YES = 19 NO = 22
5. Have you flown a fighter Indoors?
YES = 28 NO=13
6. What is the Best place you have flown &/or Which is your favorite
Festival to fly fighters?
|WSIKF or anywhere along the Washington coast in the summer.|
|Toronto Club Field that has good wind conditions.|
|St-Lawrence Maritime Park, Montreal, Canada.|
|Vacant lot at Hefner and MacArthur in Oklahoma City--lots of memories there.|
|The convention hall at Muncie, Indiana, during the 1999 AKA Nationals.|
|Santa Barbara, CA; East Beach; and Junction Kite Retreat (Junction, Texas)|
|Launching and flying off the top of the Bondi Hotel in Sydney at The Festival of the Winds and flying out amongst the festival kites 300/400 meters away was a little fun.|
|Blackheath, partly because it's close to where I live and partly because of the clean, reliable wind.|
|Flying on the top of Malham in the Yorkshire Dales.|
|Baiter Park, Dorset uk|
|Magnuson Park (Seattle, WA) - Kite Hill|
|Osprey Point on Sunset Cliffs in San Diego, CA Has a tidewater shelf where I can fly over water and towards a twenty odd feet high cliffs with breaking waves below.|
|Enjoy flying Fighters anywhere. Anywhere there are 2 or more fighters in the air at one time and the flyers are ready for a friendly tangle|
|A little park near the house that's little used.|
|The local beaches (Sumner and Brighton, New Zealand)|
|Pony club ground at Newcastle (OZ)|
|A local field in Newcastle, Australia that has plenty of open space and no high trees to cause wind turbulence from any direction.|
|Rosarito Beach in Baja California.|
|Ned Brown Woods in Chicago, Ill.|
|Coronado Island, San Diego, CA|
|Maumee Bay State Park, Toledo Ohio.|
Best Festivals (The Top 6 Mentioned)
1. Washington State International Kite Festival (WSIKF)
2. Air Canada International Kite Festival in Toronto Canada
3. Frankenmuth Kite Fest, Frankenmuth, Michigan
4. The Festival of the Winds in Australia
5. Saclay festival
6. Avi Kite Festival, Laughlin Nevada
7. Have you tried making you own fighters? What have you made?
YES = 39 NO = 2
Note: Out of the 39 fliers who have made their own fighters, most have made paper, mylar, ripstop, orcon & icarex Indian fighters, Bukas, Hatas, Koreans, etc. Plans used ranged from Philippe Gallot's book; The Manjha Club newsletters; the NFKA book; and some mentioned taking classes taught by Martin Lawrence, Bruce Lambert, Johnny Hsiung, Jeff MacInnis, etc. One's "Own" designs were mentioned also.
8. What Tips (or secrets) can you share on flying fighters in
Competitions (either Cutting or Line touch)?
|Practice. Confidence in the kite you are flying. Be totally present.|
|Have fun and spread the joy to others!|
|Kite box modeled on the pattern in Philippe's book. Manufactured from plywood and built to withstand all forms of abuse, unfortunately very heavy and bulky as well.|
|Um... not having much experience of competition I can't really suggest anything. In terms of general fighter flying my tip would be: always carry some repair tape, a spare kite and some spare bridle. And some blue tack in case you want to add a counterweight for high winds.|
|Use both hands: ie. stick reel in the ground.|
|Get up high quickly.|
|Never give up !|
|Practice, Practice, Practice. Really my favorite move is to fake
a long attack at mid level height, stalling the kite directly downwind,
looking like I'm having trouble. When the opponent comes in for the
kill, I to a quick spin under him and get an under touch.
|I've only flown in one contest, and it was a Precision one. Having three different kites nicely tuned up before we started gave me a great deal of confidence.|
|Make sure you can see your fighting line, sounds stupid but I've heard
flyers say they can't see their line easily.Use a colored line against
cloud, a white line for against blue sky. Let your opposition come to you.
Stay in the middle of the wind window or a little to the side away from
When you want to move you have the full energy of the wind available to you, so you can attack or retreat. Take things easy at the beginning of the tangle, don't be lead into mistakes by being to anxious to start the fight . Spin a little, watch, wait and sum up your opposition.
|Tangle with me, a sure win and guaranteed grins all around. (What is cannon fodder in kite fighting?)|
|Have well-tuned kites and practice as much as you can!!|
|Enjoy the experience. For me, competitions have pointed out some of my flying weaknesses, and given me plenty to work on between meetings.|
|I'm still learning other people's secrets but I do have some advice: Try your best to win- but don't obsess on it.|
|Have fun and watch all the good flyers and only practice with the ones that you know are better than you.(I have 100's to practice with)|
|Read the Tao of Jeet Kun Do by Bruce Lee. Be like water.|
|My tip is fly your kite first, when you have time, see what the other kite is doing.|
|Practice doing horizontal passes.|
|Don't get in a hurry, take your time. Control your kite and yourself. You will score more points if you don't GIVE your opponents points. (And please don't make me fly against Johnny!!)|
|Watch and give it a try.|
|If the wind is blowing the hair out of your eyes... You're facing the wrong way!|
|The only tip I really feel confident in sharing is practice makes perfect. A friend of mine taught me to fly fighters and told me, "it takes about five minutes to learn how to fly a fighter, but a lifetime to master it".|
|Know your kite, watch the enemy.|
|Fly and compete a lot, and Pull like the wind. good luck!|
|When your fighting, always keep an eye on your opponent. and always maintain the wind at your side.|
9. What type of Kite box, bag, etc. do you use to transport
fighter kites and reels?
Note: Similar responses are grouped together
|1. 36" x 28" gatorboard artist case
2. Artist's portfolio bag
3. I've made some boxes from corrugated plastic sign material (like cardboard) that work quite well.
4. Home-made box, out of Corroplast.
5. Artists' portfolio case
6. Corrugated plastic portfolio for kites and a grip for spools.
7. Either a corrugated plastic box (homemade) or pizza box
8. Soft nylon art bag with a wire frame.
9. One made from corrugated plastic sign material, recycled from a large temporary sign I found on the side of the road.
10. Large corrugated box made from a Marlborough sign
|1. Building a wood box Approx. 24"x30"x6" for my kites and a utilizing
existing backpack with tubes for the reels.
2. I have a plywood box that was made for me by a friend. It holds about a dozen fighters along with the flying line, sticky tape, band aids, and a few other odds and ends.
3. Wooden box I made myself and a shoulder bag for reels
4. Homemade plywood box fitted out for accessories as well as the kites. Reels are wrapped in cotton cloth to protect the line and kept in a cotton bag with shoulder strap.
5. Wooden Box and haversack for the reels
6. I've made a wood box but too heavy as I could put too many kites in it-so now I use an artist type canvas zipper "bag" that has an extra pocket for reels, etc.
7. Home made, out of 1/8 and 1/4 plywood also cardboard boxes, and will be making one out of plastic cardboard.
8. handmade wooden box that holds about 50 kites. Really secure, a little heavy and just barely fits in the overhead compartment on a plane.
9. home made box 24 x 24 x 3 with a closing flap and a shoulder strap.
10. Home made wooden (light timber) box, similar to the one Ludo uses
|1. A blue Rubbermaid storage box w/hinged lid.
2. plastic rubber maid box
3. I use a rubber maid box. Remember to spray paint the lid underneath to reflect the sun and drill holes to help despite the heat. Before I did that some of my carbon rods folded because of the heat in the box when laying in the sun with the lid closed.
4. I would have to say that the box I use most is the trunk of my Mercedes sedan. I keep a couple
of those Rubbermaid boxes, that Bruce had suggested in the NFKA journal, in the trunk and those are what I use exclusively. They have been modified to prevent the dreaded greenhouse effect. As a matter of fact, all of the fighters in this area use the Rubbermaid box. We aren't concerned with looks, we want practical and functional and those boxes are inexpensive and work very well! Thanks Bruce!
5. I've been using a plastic Rubbermaid box, but I'm moving into a new wooden box I got from Jug Buckles. I carry my winders in my purse.
|One Hand: homemade canvas flat pack with cardboard as dividers.
Other Hand: gator spool or two with different colors button thread, with pieces of modeling clay stuck to the inside of the spool. I usually ride my old 3-speed bike to the kite field.
|Ordinary PVC pipe to pack my rods and a bag for my ripstop skins|
|Bag for the reels, and wood box or pizza box for kites.|
|W.W.II era Samsonite suit case from the thrift store for my kites. It is about 24 inches square and 8 inches deep. It looks Like the ones in old Betty Davis movies. I like it because it's square. Also I have a separate smaller suitcase for reels, sunglasses, sun screen, etc.|
|1. Kookaburra Bag
2. Kookaburra cloth covered, hard plastic. It's been shipped by UPS, checked as luggage, dropped from the roof of a moving vehicle, no problem.
3. Fighter kite bag from Kookaburra Kites. Solid sides & walls, LOTS of room for kites & reels. My last vacation I even got all of my clothes in that same bag.LOTTTS of room!
|1. I use a flat cardboard carrier made out of the kites' original packaging!
I have looked for document cases but have not found one the right size
for these kites.
2. Flat cardboard box about 4 inches high. Just at the moment IBM and Compaq workstations come with one of these just the right size in every box. A wee bit small for a full size Indian, but great for smaller stuff.
3. Cardboard boxes with carrying handles, piled on a small luggage carrier.
(Not sure if Steve made this box for Charlie, or if Charlie borrows kites from Steve's box [grin]).
|Just a plastic bag that snaps closed on the handles at the top. I added a cardboard stiffener/divider inside to protect the kites, and separate the reels.|
10. Any additional comments to share?
Note: Random order of comments.
|I have immersed myself in everything about the kites and the fliers and find that there is one special thing. Even though there is a great deal of competitive spirit there is also a great deal of camaraderie amongst them. It is even more prevalent than your average kite flier.|
|Still discovering the wonder of fighter design and flying.|
|I enjoy finding someone that likes flying my kite, and giving it to them. I actually like making kites more than flying them. I make a new kite, fly it for about 30 minutes, and it is ready for a new home.|
|In whatever form fighter kites are made or flown they have been providing joy for hundreds of years, lets continue to promote their virtues!|
|thanks, gina...as always you do great work for the game.|
|Favourite fighter books: 'Not an Indian Fighter', by Geoff Crumplin & 'Fighter Kites', by Philippe Gallot.|
|It would be nice to see some other fighter flyers up at my field occasionally!|
|I have 140 fighters but the Indian Mylar is the best. There should be more space made for fighters in UK Festivals.|
|I love all of the people and experiences I've had flying fighters. The best!!|
|Have fun, enjoy the smiles and Grins.|
|Thanks Gina, and lets all go flyin....GRIN|
|Anybody want a fight??? No holds barred, Glasgow rules, take all comers.....|
|Keep that kite box in the car and grab any chance to have a fly. I've
flown of the top of car-parking building in the middle of the night, and
often stop and have a fly on the way home from work. Just 15mins of flying
can cheer you up a lot after a hard day! Spend some time "driving"
the kite with a goal. It's fun just playing with the wind, but while you
*think* you can spin, turn or dive on demand
- just try actaully doing it!
|Learn to make your own fighters!!!! Learn from your mistakes
and triumphs. Experiment with
new designs. Give away your seconds to newcomers to the sport together with a reel of cheap
polyester thread so they can practice.
|Build Well And Fly Friendly! And ...Thank-you Gina! ...Thanks for the
Super Neet Web Site!!! It's
|It takes two to tangle. You appreciate it even more if you have gone for a long time without anyone to fly with. I finally had to aggressively teach people to fly fighters to have some people to fly with. When I went on vacation I bugged the clerks at the kite stores until they came out and learned to fly. I tried with the local club, but they went and learned on their own and are now all better fliers than I am. But I have the biggest grin!|
|Think your new survey is a great idea, because there are many new fighter flyers and in many places away from the West Coast influence, many on our NFKA list who fly by themselves.|
|BUILD,FLYand GRIN GRIN GRIN|
|I think we are on the cutting edge of a new sport for Americans. As long as we don't get too serious about the game, it will survive. If fliers take the competition too serious, then it becomes less fun and people lose interest. We need to invent competitions that offer more chances to fly than single elimination tournaments. Round Robins, or pools, or something that gives everyone a lot of chances to fly is very important to the growth of the sport. Any flier that loses will have less of an incentive to grow with the sport.|
|Gina, you have way too much time on you hands :o)|
|Several of our club are planning on attending WSIKF this year and are looking forward to the event. I more than the rest for the fighter competition. I'm not too worried about how well I do, I'm just looking forward to meeting many people and having a good time. (Are Hornitos the only preferred Tequila?)|
Note: If you found the survey interesting,
or can come up with a better way to arrange the data, or want to contribute
questions for the next survey....send me an email
I'm always open to ideas.
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